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Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How do you actually know it's 'evens'? There are > only two possibilities, yes. However maybe there > are other forces at work that influence the > outcome.My mother had a girl followed by 7 boys. > Her sister had 4 girls. Evens doesn't explain it > does it? It's probability, not explanation. all things being equal, the chance of a baby being born a girl is near enough 50:50, are you infact my Uncle AM, your grasp of probability is similar?

People's basic missunderstanding of probablility leads to some pretty stoopid believes. My uncle has 10 grand children his first 9 were girls, just before his 10th was born (a boy) he was saying to me "what are the odds of this one being a girl eh must be 200,000 -1!?" er, no uncle ,Evens

I always cross over the road too

it's a pants league this year, really poor quality, still loving it though :)

was there for years, I *think* there's still a club there now

Yup Blah - Owen Jones is a good shout, and without the issues which the previous equivalent poster boy, Hariii, had/has. I still don't agree with much he says/writes though :)

punch

I admire him for creating that " I am the altenative voice" platform to some degree (even though I think it largely driven by his own narcissm) but now he's there he's being found out. I think that huge numbers of 'the left' are crying out for some strong narrative but no-one seems really able to articulate anything. If Russel Brandis the best they've got, gawd help them. An old, disiilusioned cynic like me just think there's isn't really a strong non-issue based narrative for the left anyway, so people grab at anything in hope, at the moments it's RB, although I sense from Social Media that this has peaked now!

Downham Market and Brandon......gusee where they are?

Yup. Because he hasn't any depth and there is no substance. It's all very adolescent no solution "Occupy" type crap...

Mark Lawrenson calls it right sometimes... .. The more I see of Tottenham, the more I think they are quite average?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/12/strangest-place-uk-sutton-normal-newcastle-east-grinstead#start-of-comments Anymore to add. (some of the comments good)

Friday..... .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pls_luhVdAw

Louisa's eyeing up places for her 'Just Cheese on Toast' gaff as I type

The map is a simplification though, there are some more micro factors ie my undesrtanding is that in Rural eastern areas there are not many immigrants per se BUT EU immigrants are heavily involved in industries, such as agriculture, as cheap labour and down at heel seaside towns in the SE do have relatively large EU populations in smaller traditionaly small c Conservative towns. At an aggregate levels these are lost on the map. And the Welsh and Cornish have always been inward looking bigots anyway :), I susppect if there was a 'I hate the english party' in those two places they colours would be even darker

Nigel Farage described as a "Pound shop Enoch Powell" is spot on though

Room at the Top, became Lacy Lady (Ilford)

Anyway - think the OP might have been talking about "Skint", "Benefits Street" and the like, which are much fairer and less of a freakshow than Jeremy Kyle and the like THIS

Early 80s - Loved the Beat Route, the Embassy (Baker Street?) I think I went to, Camden Palace when it first opened, Barracuda,there was another place in Ken High Street but the name escapes me, later the Wag but was all getting a bit elitist/zoot suity 80s for me so started going to Wendy May's Locomotion at Kentish Town. Acid House refreshed clubbing for me though.

Know them all PD and all strong reputations- I went to Crackers towards the end of its time (living on past rep by then)Cheeky Pete's was good. Global Village turned to Heaven and bedore by time. You ever do the Royalty or The Goldmine?

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ????/Bob - were people not adequately catered for > prior to these programmes? Did anyone sit around > in their pants and bemoan the lack of daytime tv > shows that mock and decry the poor and > disposessed? > > No, didn't think so. > > Your logic is false too if it is simpl "if people > will watch it then we must put it on". There > should be harm tests for public broadcasters. They > have responsibilities that come with the right to > show programmes. You arssumptions are false - I think you're talking about JK only (which I think is pretty pants I#d agrre - but still defend it's 'right'. The OP is reffering to the posh/poverty 'porn' shows - Benefits Street etc. If I'm honest watching the benefits ones especially I tend to have more sympathy and understanding of/with the people in them as the programmes progress rather than voyeuristic sneering. On the posh side I thoroughly enjoyed the 3 parter on Tatler PS - both of these are evening shows, as are most of their counterparts

Play for Today was largely sh1te, though still triumphed as a masterpeice in drama far too often...it did encourage some young writers who went onto far better stuff is the charitable line

plus the FACT that they, ahem, can't cook you know

All the online versions of newspapers are descending into the same fight for 'clicks' shite - I really can't tell that much difference between the mail/indie/telegraph*/guardian online comments bit. The derrangemnet just swings about a bit politically. *maybe a bit better as it has a subscription business model

*like* We know best for the likes of them