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I dunno , it was hardly a piece of great propaganda, illiterate prejudice idiots just showing themselves up doesn't strike me as that bad even if it's offensive - like when that one eyed tosser Griffin went on QT, if only they'd let him talk more of his drivel.

Yup...it was never all that but it feels really crap nowadays, generally SE London is far more, vibrant, hillier, interesting, varied and even prettier than the flatlands of East London

Chislehurst=Car key rings thrown in the hat

Back on topic. My mum has recently(!) discovered Father Ted, and she loves it. Not suggesting you hook up with her tho Mick, oh no.

But Catford will always wait

I'm a bit worried about the view thing too Maxi. Not been on KUMB or WHO yet to see what the diehards think* *guesses 'moaning'

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It has to be said that the infrastructure gains > are a real selling point for me. > Plus there hasn't been much atmosphere at the > boleyn for a while..... Agree on the latter. The Chicken Run not joining up with the rest of the stadium really contributes to that grounds like WHL where it's one enclosed arena are far more atmospheric than our place nowadays :(...the odd big evening game excepted. Gonna be great to get to from here rather than that long walk and change at West Ham from Jubilee to District. Plus i was gobsmacked at how many of the pubs have gone round UP when I went a few weeks back!

Have you though of moving to an isolated cottage in the country TED?...this city gig seems to be getting to you

You'll see the true experts opinion on this later Mick

Pushing aside the shrieking class war stuff about barristers/entitled rich people etc etc. Of course it's a sort of selfishness but the problem with scrapping universal benefits is that that higher rate tax payers will (to a degree understandably) then start to question why they should pay for 'people to sit at home all day watching Sky', or 'have a three bedroomed property funded by me when they live by themselves' etc, etc. The scrapping of Universal Benefits starts to undermine the social contract of the welfare state, which the mixed views on here or elsewhere show. On the other hand, we as a country can't afford the level of provision of benefits of all kind - child/pensioner/Housing etc - so something has to give or welfare completely reformed. and finally, the relatively richer and older are more likely to be enfranchised and vote and so politicians bottle out or make compromises that then p1ss off another set of people. tis a mess

Sub Prime part 2

...why pensioners get nothing cut is beyond me, everyone acts like they are the wartime generation when infact many of them are asset and cash rich baby boomers with great final salary pensions...but touch them and the papers (of all persuasion) will be full of pictures of Gideon's hand in an old ladies purse. Winter fuel allowance for hordes of this group is a joke - means test it.

Did anyone's analysis say the the Budget was a piss in the wind that'll do sweet FA to the big picture - tinkering, infact giving small handouts to try and get re-elected whilst our debt stays as is and growth is almost non-existent. We need something radical and soon but no-ones got the balls (including the culpable man of the same name on the opposite bench) and the electorate doesn't want the pain that we need....i can see years of this ahead.

Reading '78 or '79. The whole 'gig' culture* then was a bit like football, lots of fighting, Punks & Mods vs Sham 69s massive skinhead following and some random rockers that day. Seeing the Clash, Madness, Sham 69 etc involved a potential bundle *or the punk/Oi/Ska side of it

So. The Olympic stadium......not sure about this, genuinely don't know whether to be excited or whether this will go wrong. Soul gone a bit, whatever, ..but will take the kids there for sure!

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think the situation in East Dulwich is trivial > and irrellevant...the whole country is @#$%& for > 10 years plus Only 5 more to go

Anymore for anymore?

There speaks a metropolitan animal lover. stuffed much foie Gras down your fat sanctimonious throat recently?

Or out of their heads on class As

"Err, what are you talking about. Buying Spanish bonds has nothing to do with the bank deposits. The ECB has already provided an unlimited 3 year liquidity facility to all European banks (including Spanish banks) to deal with disruptions in the wholesale funding market. Should deposits shrink, the same liquidity facility can and would be used as this would represent a liquidity rather than a solvency issue." So the Bundesbank or the ECB hasn't being buying southern european debt? and the 100bn capital injection for spanish banks was provided by? Underpinned by?

can't escape mine (or anyone elses kids) at Camp Bestival...it's like the garden at the Herne Tavern on a Sunday in July x200, with more expoensive beer.

Anectdotal historical comparisons are tottaly unscientific "when you consider the levels of crime and casual violence in the 18th and early 19th centuries (and before) - very much higher on a per capita basis than now, when punishments were hugely more severe (and when you moved from trial, normally no longer than a day, to execution within a week) for many more crimes than simply murder, then the idea that harsh punishment leads to crime reduction is less clear.@ A supporter of the death penalty for muder (which I'm not by the way) could as easily (and actually more scientifically) argue that the increase in the homicide rate post aboltion of Capital Punishment to more than double the rate shows that the Death Penaltly worked. Trite, historical comparisomns are just rubbish comparisons that form a large part of the liberal narrative on crime/deterrence. There are better facts to support a liberal narrative than them, they're rubbish.

Football hooliganism was reduced MASSIVELY almost to the point of extiction (not quite) by harsh sentencing, Not looked at the stats re knife crime etc but the above point is pretty indisputable. Harsh sentencing has reduced crime in the US significantly. Now, this doesn't mean that it's the right/only/best/practical solution or indeed what a decent society should do but the 'prison doesn't work' mantra per se is really weak. It does on a simple level, it puts a number of those in that very small majority who are resposible for a hugely dsiprproprtionate number of crimes in a place where thay can't commit them for a while. That reduces crime.

interesting that even thought it's 'even worse hearing about it' you pop up frequently on any gambling thread, moaning about it nettie?

I've only tomorrow and ideally need somewhere local to do something nice for me mum with converting some digital photos of the kids to something - ie has to be on a real medium not anything digital for her, oh no. Any ideas suggestions (local)? Thanks in advance