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This week: UBS - keeping head office in London 'no plans on moving' Google - confirm new European HQ in Kings Cross Yesterday - inflation below expectation Today - retail sales at their highest growth in 14 years, way above expectation

Found it - and bumped it but bizzarley it was in the Family Room so you can have a look in there top see what people were saying (April 2013)

Bump! Bloody hell 3 years ago

Was on a couple or so years ago originally - I think there was a thread on here somewhere?

My stories very similar Malambu - having been told by the 6th formers that Bowie and Roxy Music and TRex were crap and that I should listen to Greenslade and Yes, after I heard Anarchy in the UK my mate cut my hair, I bunged away my flares and the job was a good un. was a proper moment of change Punk. I don't think younger people quite get just what it was like...still can't listen to prog though

Couple of 'old girls' on the bus last night with proper old school Cockney accents that you don't really hear in London anymore - reminded me of my nan, Cor Blimey

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder if the Super Moon has brought out the > Lupine among us... ..... it's been a while :)

Grow a pair - who wants a bleedin' group hug!!!!

But people don't - it's not binary , it's not just one groups fault; but a narrative that ' the parties that claim to represent you working classes have failed you' is easy to say; because it does reflect a failure of the left in the US and here to listen to a whole bunch of their constituents,to patronise them and to insult them. I dislike the left increasingly because I expect (ed) more, - but in the 'moderate' realms of politics you see the worst tribalism; identity politics; a whole load of unpleasantness and yet some kind of convinced moral superiority from the left. Most people in the centre right think the left are misguided; most people, even on the centre left think; the centre right are 'tory scum'....

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > uncleglen Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Since between them the Sun, DM and DE have a > total > > sales of under 4 million- and there are people > who > > only read the sport, or only do the puzzle > pages. > > > > I think that most people make up their minds > about > > what is going on in the UK from their own daily > > experiences. > > That rather disregards the fact that most papers > are shared between people - a family sharing the > one paper, papers shared between workmates, etc - > so the real readership is a lot higher than the > actual sales. Plus, of course, the internet, with > the DM website, God help mankind, apparently the > most popular in the world. > > People make a lot of decisions on the basis of > what they see around them, but when it comes to > something requiring expert analysis - for example, > the economic benefits or otherwise of Brexit - > surely they can only rely on the information > gleaned from the press? Most people get this from the TV (and mainly the BBC), (and I suppose increasingly worryingly the Internet) - the supposed massive influence of the press is a myth and a stock answer from those that are so certain in their rightgiousness thet still can't see why people have different opinions to them and why for eg the working class don't all vote Labour. People choose what newspapers to read and the Mirror, the Guardian and more left wing alternatives have all been in sharper long term decline than the more 'right wing' newspapers, The Sun wot won it is one of the biggest myths of politics - The Sun switched to Blair for eg when it saw the way the electorate was moving. People aren't gullible media led saps - (though anyone who post a link to The Canary is clearly :) ).

Deliverer's have to go through the space-time continuum to get back to the 50s before hitting the Village or the bits of SE22 that pretend they are the Village :)

I'll set them up you stick them in the net HMB....like England tonight :)

join me in the middle ground Jenny. I mean that by your logic about the company we keep - breaking bread with terrorists and theocratic fascists is as bad I was just checking it was being consistently applied :)

The stock faces 1) WTF are they doing - disaster 2) WTF are they doing - intrigued 3) knowing nod

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > You can vote for a candidate without endorsing > > everything they do and say. > > > Absolutely agreed. But doesn't there come a point > when what someone does and says become so extreme > that alarm bells need to go off in your head, and > if they don't, there's something wrong? > > I also saw the story that Nigello notes about 'The > Klan' . Wouldn't people have been concerned about > voting for a candidate who played to this section > of the electorate? We're known by the company we > keep. So do you apply this position and logic to Corbyn and McDonnell, Livinsgtone and Abbot to name just 4?

Think political party leadership and top ranks should also not be sharing platforms with those who preach hate and violence too...but that's a tougher bit of virtue signalling than saying you're going to boycott John Lewis....

So to sum up the great and good of the EDF...I think it's a great pity the plebs have the vote......yes, pesky democracy eh the illiberal left need to look in the mirror - they have some responsibility for the polarisation and populism of modern politics

Things that stand out for me are Chivers ripping Scotland a new one in the early 70s and McCalister missing THAT penalty :)

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There seems to be a confusion about how politics, > discourse and democracy work. If Labour win an > election for example, do conservatives supporters > say "well that's sorted, end of discussion, let's > dissolve the party"? It's exactly the same with > Brexit. Whatever side you're on, you will continue > to have a view, and in a democracy, you are free > to express it. You should, if you believe it > strongly, continue to try and persuade others of > the strength of your arguements, I would say it's > your duty to. This is not anti-democratic, it is > the fundamental basis of free political debate and > a central plank to a functioning democracy. > Clearly democratic decisions should be accepted in > the sense that must not be overturned by force, > through coercion or by illegal means - but there > are all sorts of other reasonable, peaceful, > lawful and democratic routes for influencing and > persuading others. The idea that you have two > opposing ideas, that one 'wins' and then all > further debate or discussion must be silenced, is > ridiculous, anti-democratic and frankly childish. This would be very good but there is a huge tendency on the left to demonise those that don't agree with their orthodoxies - much of the left is deeply illiberal

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Le Pen's next (I've had a bet); and expect a GE > in > > Italy after their constitutional referendum > next > > month.... > > > Fookin' 'ell Quids, where's your scruples, can't > you bet on things with nice, happy, fluffy bunny > outcomes, like will it snow on Christmas Day? > :)... I have won money on the Tories and Trump so far this year RD, all about value in gambling so Le Pen at 7/2. I also bet on Corbyn to win the Labour leadership (poorer odds as it was nailed on) and i didn't want that outcome either!

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > I think your analysis is simplistic and mixing > up > > class & race with income here Rendel. > > Afro-americans are vastly over represented in > the > > lowest income groups and the majority of them, > who > > voted, almost certainly voted Clinton hence > your > > conclusion. My suspicion is the majority of > white > > working class voted Trump, so i don't think > > Louisa's analysis is insulting, I think it's > > correct. > > I said I thought it was insulting to the working > class, not just the white working class. As I > pointed out, the majority of white middle class > voters also voted Trump, so this result is not > simply the righteous white working class anger > Trump would like it to be seen as, it's far, far > more complex, more selfish and less "glorious" > than that. Who mentions - "glorious", or "righteous" anger etc? other than you, Louisa or me don't - i think you have a pretty binary view on people's view on people's politics, fairly standard for many on the left , and Louisa and me are in your baddy camp so you think our analysis is somehow supportive of Trump's victory - i can't see anything in either of our posts that suggest this, so, you must 'think' it's our underlying view or something? Hence you adding of glorious and righteous. I think Louisa called this well to be honest.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa, what you say simply isn't the case and is > really quite insulting to the working class whom I > believe you generally support. Of the one third > of Americans who earn less than $50,000 a year, > more voted for Clinton than Trump, for the 2/3 > earning more than that, vice versa. 54% of > college educated white males voted for Trump. > White college educated women were the only white > group who voted in favour of Clinton (and then > only 51% of them). Trump would be delighted to > have people think this is some great uprising from > the deprived heartlands, but in fact it's got just > as much to do with middle class whites who want > lower taxes and to stop paying for Obamacare and > other social security as anything else. I think your analysis is simplistic and mixing up class & race with income here Rendel. Afro-americans are vastly over represented in the lowest income groups and the majority of them, who voted, almost certainly voted Clinton hence your conclusion. My suspicion is the majority of white working class voted Trump, so i don't think Louisa's analysis is insulting, I think it's correct.

Le Pen's next (I've had a bet); and expect a GE in Italy after their constitutional referendum next month....

Just cut and paste Steveo's list as I'm lazy (and added a few) Franklins - 3 or 4 times to eat - for the price and vibe (non-trendy) the resataurant is too cramped although food excellent. Drinking - quite often (near my gaff) Palmerston - 5 times or so when other options full. OK. Yama Momo - Once - hugely disappointed Le Chardon - Years ago on Valentines Day in another life with a different wife Tandoori Nights - i get confused which is which all a bit the same too. Sema Thai - Whe it was old school thai and first opened loads been crap for years now so never Thai Corner Caf? - take away loads. When it forst opened in the 90s went alot BYOB helped The Lordship - Twice. Quite impressed Franco Manca - Once - loved the pizza my kids hated it so never since Meat Liquour - Once, loved - will go again ToastED - no Mr Bao - no - looks good Bahn Bahn - No The Rye - Not for years but had a phase of Sunday lunches Burro - Not a clue? Peddar - One - will visit again my favourite meal ever round here Spinach - Yes, once . A bit meh Mr Liu - no Le Chandelier - no Burro e Salvia - no Hisar - Lots, kids like it, I like it...I think you like it Mick? French House - not yet Great Exhibition - just drinking Olivellis - twice - not impressed Il Mirto - once when it was the best thing ever on the EDF - average House of Tippler - Sunday Lunch good - like this place for a drink as you can get a seat GBK - far too often (kids :)) The Surma Never Draft House - Once then it went Flying Pig - Yes, beer & Burger Monday football is good Cafe Noodle - Takeaway Si Mingia- lovely service, food very average Clockhouse - food always been crap but at least it used to feel like a pub Plough - enuff said