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Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There seems to be this weird anti-business, > anti-trade streak in the Conservatives. Can keen > students of British history tell me where that > comes from? On the face of it it appears to be > paradoxical. But there's no denying it. Are we > re-playing some long forgotten eighteenth century > conflict? None of this belongs to the twenty first > century, that's for sure. This is happening globally - people buying into the rubbish that 'neo-liberalism' and Global Free trade are Free Markets are impoverishing us all. I despair when I look at what our two major parties offer on the economy, infact on anything.

'tis a fair point but what's amusing is that I haven't voted (other than remain in the Referendum) in any election for years!

Yes Ok - in my mind I was thinking in a competitive match. Certainly been years and several tournaments in the finals - we've had relatively easy rides in qualifying too without being that convincing.

Corbyism and now clown craze - millennials confirmed as idiots

last time an England game was any good?

Are there any sunny window seats in the Gowlett so you can Flanuer with a Laptop?

Crisps (Ready salted) & baked beans - scoop up the beans with the crisps

I was just saying that these: - firms need to maintain records of how many 3CNs, including regularly checking the visa status of those staff. - having an ID card (separate to their passport) which includes stuff like their fingerprints. - not being able to get a job unless they are more qualified than the EU candidates applying. In practice, I've got several 3CN friends who have had companies refuse to even look at their job applications because they were 3CN. - depending on the visa, not being entitled to benefits even if they have been working here for years. Were relatively standard (with slight differences) for most countries' 3CNs - I think a US Greencard is very similar for eg?

Where the EDF starts the whole world follows

We did it - wish we'd done it far earlier when our kids were younger(being potty trained!). Materially better having it and not *that* poky at all - no regrets.

My point was that, that they are relatively common....

I was going to give it 2/10 - poor idea, crapply executed

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If a meal is sufficiently toothsome I will lick > the plate, occasionally, sadly ignorant of > conventional mores, while standing by the window > in my pants looking out onto the street. > > I generally don?t hold with ?cleaning ones plate? > in a restaurant unless my dining companions have > all gone out for a cigarette but if I should pass > out into my dinner, I will take the opportunity to > sneak in a couple of slurps while I'm down there. Did you say licking the plate or the window Steveo?

jaywalker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Glad we both agree. I certainly apologise to you. > In mitigation (only), the post thread topic. No problem - sometimes threads and mini-threads get lost in the meta one!

Calm down, take a deep breathe and stop getting into a 'Daily Mail' type frenzy of Rightousness. My post was about this - P.O.U.S twc"s post. It was pointing out that these arrangements for 3CNs are pretty commonplace in most countries and that was all - I wasn't saying this was fine for EU citizens or Amber Rudd was being reasonable. You seriously need to read what people are saying before you jump to conclusions. P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry - should have made that clearer. 3CN is > short-hand for third-country national (i.e. > citizen of a country outside the EU). There are a > number of restrictions already in place for them, > including: > > - firms need to maintain records of how many 3CNs, > including regularly checking the visa status of > those staff. > - having an ID card (separate to their passport) > which includes stuff like their fingerprints. > - not being able to get a job unless they are more > qualified than the EU candidates applying. In > practice, I've got several 3CN friends who have > had companies refuse to even look at their job > applications because they were 3CN. > - depending on the visa, not being entitled to > benefits even if they have been working here for > years. > > I believe that these requirements don't apply when > they get indefinite leave to remain (step before > becoming a British citizen). > > All of these requirements were introduced a while > back, mostly under Labour governments. I don't > mention that to defend the Tories, just to point > out that this kind of policy is bi-partisan. We've > had a two tier society with regards to certain > foreigners for a long time. > > > *Edited to correct typos In fact, I'll remind you what I said earlier in this thread and has now come to pass: Except there won't be a policy and it never was put forward as a policy -it was just a stupid idea by Amber Rudd that has been buried. People are just misinformed and hysterical - and the internet just spreads this kind of crap like wildfire. so you can withdraw your 'pretty reasonable' dig for starters. - when in fact I called it a 'stupid idea'.

Er, i'm scratching my head here but isn't all that fairly standard in most countries of the world - I think most existing EU countries have something similar; I think a US Green Card is similar - unless you have completely free borders and free movement that sounds pretty reasonable?

the lost decade is a myth - our growth has been way above average to most big developed economies; our employment is stellar compared to southern Europe especially - hence there being plenty of them in our country working and the political pressure that has bought (and they are very welcome by me before people start jumping about screaming). If we are such a basket case why have we created most of the jobs in Europe in the past few years? France? Spain? Italy? their economies booming? The polarisations was there before and just a much of a legacy of the Labour government - hence the incomprehensibility of many that 52% voted Brexit. I preferred the coalition to the Tory govt - they did a good job in almost impossible conditions and the Liberal Democrats got no thanks for it - mainly thanks to the screaming hate filled left. My view is a referendum would have come one way or the other at some point quite soon too. I think the irellevant crap about Privilege undermined Cameron & Osbourne - and you are about to see a much more small minded , parochial, inward looking, illiberal govt than the one the Eton lot gave us.....

Yeh, agree RD - Rah I thought you were about our age. All my youth it was - the NF polling really high; coming second in bi-elections; Lewisham, country in apparent terminal decline, riots, Northern Ireland imploding and bombs all over London etc etc - enjoyed my youth very much tho! I think some people of a liberal/left persuasion, and I count myself as liberal, are seeing emerging fascism where it really isn't - just a bit of inward looking conservatism (and better than how it's manifesting itself in say France or the US), I regret this and Brexit but it's nothing compared to what's potentially being dished up at the other end of the Spectrum and it's not looking amramegeddon

Except there won't be a policy and it never was put forward as a policy -it was just a stupid idea by Amber Rudd that has been buried. People are just misinformed and hysterical - and the internet just spreads this kind of crap like wildfire. Please define the worst sectors of the UK electorate too - people who don't agree with you maybe? PS Pseuds Corner anyone

"Have you done any work paid or unpaid in the last 2 weeks *Bob*?" counts *Bob*

chrisbeach Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do you have any evidence to suggest Jack Straw was > wrong then, or now? Nope. But I do have my personal opinion that Jack Straw is an utter cunt of a man.

15 yeasr ago or so, he had a flat on Camberwell Grove, worked in the bookshop that used to be on Camberwell Grove and drank in the Funky Monkey. Nice fella - very quiet.

I've checked my prejudice - and people are still talking bullshit

DuncanW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Quids, why does wanting to change a system (or > prevent movement in a direction you disagree with) > mean you wouldn't want to get the very best for > your own children from the current system in play? > That's ridiculous, surely? So legal tax avoidance a la Jimmy Carr is fine then too by that logic and everyone banged/S on about that and he doesn't put himself up on a morally superior pedestal either. There's an absolute equivalence. It's rank hypocracy from those that preach and lecture so sanctimoniously....no excuse whatsoever

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