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The point is that the Vote was a defacto vote of confidence in the Italian PM rather than his constitutional reform, as he said he's resign if he lost; he did, he has - there may now be an election (but not necessarily), in which case the two big eurosceptic parties (the comedian's one and the Northern League) are ahead in the polls and potentially could offer a referendum on certainly The Euro, more (likely) and maybe the EU. However getting a majority in Italy is not easy...

Very pleased to see Honnie back - worth a Shout Out of its own

Thought this was interesting ... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/01/blame-trump-brexit-identity-liberalism

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I reckon big business has destroyed more pubs than > the fecking Luftwaffe. Bastards! > > I remember my mum talking about the doodlebugs and > their engines cutting, the fear that it might be > you. As a child I also remember playing on a few > bombsites. There were still plenty of them around > in Dulwich in the 60s and right up through to the > 70s. I have my grandama's diary from the Doodlebug time - you can see (read) she's nearly on the edge of a nervous breakdown, including when one came down and my mum was out playing (My mum stpped talking for a while during this time too). In the end they had to go to relatives in Liverpool - so having stayed put through the original Blitz she had to get away when the Doodlebugs started. I guess it was partly because they though the bombing had more or less ended by 1944 before the rockets (V1/V2) made it come back again

as Rah said, a classic bit of Behavioral Economics...

Given the reaction on here it is absolutely no wonder he was slung out on his ear by the electorate in the GE post Iraq.......oh, hang on a minute.......

Cardiff 2006 - another fuck*ng stake through my heart

singalto Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm a teacher and the school I work in is very > concerned about bad behaviour outside the school > when the pupils are in uniform. Maybe the events > you are seeing could be filmed to show the school > head. Maybe Lord Harris himself might like to see > what boys are doing in public! I was just waiting it had to come.....erm, political angle here by any chance? ILEA run schools were always beacons of fantastic pupil discipline of course before evil academies blah blah blah

better than CORBYN, MCDONNELL, ABBOT

I agree with most of that jaywalker - the two reasons I voted remain were the uncertainty and, on a vague bit of idealism (that just about remained in my soul) in the ideal that the people of Europe (including us) could hopefully work out the problems, of which there are many, of the EU collectively. Where I differ a bit is the economic signals are above most expectations thus far (including mine) and consensus has thus far been overpessimistic - now, I'm not saying things wont get worse in the near future, because I think they will but it's not looking as catasrophic as our worst fears. The other thing is we are not in a vacuum, "events dear boy events" - the US election has changed things and there are plenty of 'events' on the horizon in Europe.

Sydenham woods is the obvious one - especially if Wood House is open on Boxing Day

I'm still dead to football after the weekend and it will take a while - see you in a week or so (maybe)

I'm pretty appalled at Trump getting elected I'm a bit more ambivalent about Brexit but voted remain. The sanctimonious, emotive, 'grief' and general anti-democratic gnashing of teeth on right on social media (oh, and the Guardian obviously) has given me some small pleasure in both of these outcomes - silver linings eh

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'Fess up Quids, was it you that used it on West > Ham Online?... > http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/i-invented-virt > ue-signalling-now-its-taking-over-the-world/ :) Haven't posted on there for yonks - place has gone to the dogs. Virtue Signalling on WHO is starting threads on how the EDF (not the forum) march through Luton went at the weekend :) ...it's where I learnt my Forum manners A

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is not one person's 'virtue signalling', another > person's 'telling the truth'? What is happening in the UK is appalling.....truth? Is Donald Trump a fascist? - all pretty right on, easy opinions to hold to demonstrate how 'good' you are...... I saw this as it was shared by a zillion of my 'right on' friends but actually, what is he contributing to anything other than how worthy his opinions are? Bugger all other than that....other than a dislike of democracy I guess

despite some ribbing I've always had a soft spot for the old miserabalist - although i still don't see how he squared the 'carrying the GB flag at the Olympics with voting/supporting Independence in the other referendum' circle

it's certainly virtue signalling to the max

the only bit that keeps me sane driving down to Cornwall with the kids in the summer is the driving.....dreading it/them

The vibe on the strip from Jonnies up to Franklins (the bit opposite the cinema) - always crowded, especially in the summer, kids with ice creams, fair bit of al fresco drinking and eating (even this time of year with blankets) bit of street food. Love that little stretch now.

all very emotive and somewhat amusing etc etc but you are aware that The Times supported Remain I presume jayw?

...for a sh1t beer :)

Third RD? - you're falling out of the elite like your real team :)

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Leon tells his wife to shush a lot. That's quite > amusing, its like my house. Except the other way round

No all true. But what you can say - with fact - is that, even since the referendum, the economic data in many areas is significantly above the forecasta from the dismal science - and that includes the adjustments they made post referendum, being well aware that 'article 50' hadn't been triggered. We are, so far, doing significantly better than the experts consensus on how we would....

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This week: > UBS - keeping head office in London 'no plans on > moving' > Google - confirm new European HQ in Kings Cross > > Yesterday - inflation below expectation > > Today - retail sales at their highest growth in 14 > years, way above expectation I'm just reporting fact on that UK performance post the referendum which is currently way, way above what the pessimists were predicting widely (and on here)i didn't even add an opinion! The deficit isn't on my list (and that hole from the FT is based on forecast incidentally, which may well turn out to be true, but is still nevertheless forecast so wouldn't go om my list ) - if you followed my stuff on here on the deficit you will see that I've long believed we are fooked on that anyway (and would have been without Brexit). My point - as someone who once again I stress voted remain - is that things aren't nearly as bad as most predicted YET. The inflation figure WAS below expectation and consensus Jaywalker - so predictions once again were wrong (see also employment/growth/retail sales...I could go on) Your and Lordship's posts feel like they reflect your personal and political views and opinions,and on Brexit and your pessimism has thus far have been proved over pessimistic! I'm not Nigel Farage for pointing this out! I have an opinion that things won't be as bad as the most pessimistic say and so far the figures support that - that's not a Dr Pangloss - although you are winning my vote for title of Eeyore of the EDF if we are going to take on great characters of literature :)