PS I knew Italy was pretty sclerotic, but I read in the paper this weekend that since the advent of the Euro (1999) Italy's economy hasn't grown , France's has by 20%, Germany's 21% and the UK's by 33%. Thank god we never joined that particular 'project'* If only El Pibe and Hugenot were still here I'd resurrect the old Euro thread from way back :) *blows grateful kiss to Gordon and Ed B