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Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The Shed/the Shelf/North Bank Higbury > > I was in the North Bank in 1990 when we (the > gooners) were playing you (the @#$%&) and there > was a small group of about 8 people in the North > Bank lower tier who broke into a song: > > West Ham in the North Bank > West Ham in the North Bank > TA LA LA LAAA > > Please tell me it was not you. > > > The North Bank means the one at Upton Park to me....now gone Nope, by 1990 I was gentrified it wasn't me :))

I stiil wait the day when Hugenot actually reads my posts properly. The Euro will collapse before that day I fear.

...let's just ban them from public full stop .... lock 'em inside or put them up chimneys

I think you've the squad, momentum and decent football. I think we will push you though as we've a big reasonably decent squad for the slog through Jan-April...not expecting usto play the better football though :(

I think you'll be champions.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The father red cap, when it was a gay bar in the > mid 90s (that was scary to a 16 year old!!!) I took a mate of mine from Essex (Billericay) there for a beer once as it was the only place still open late in SE5 on a Bank Holiday Monday, he was a good looking lad and soooooooooo Essex, so it was quite fun.

:)-D Irons

Arsenal were 50/1 for the league last week, beginning to wish I'd taken that. If Van P gets crocked tho :-S

It's between Netty and Salsa for me so far, with honourable mention to Ratty

The Shed/the Shelf/North Bank Higbury A crackhouse The banana club Amsterdam The ladies' bogs at Turnmills The Drawing Room

Mick Mac's fool proof betting system Jah's Novel Mr Ben's new gaff Mockers' Irish getaway CWALD' love life

Wipe your knob accross the screen...always works for me

Can you tell the missus her dinner's on the table

thecaptain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > screaming kids and ugly mums = awful combo 3/10 - you need to devolop your work.

I cried with laughter too Tillie ;-)

Does anyone remember what Euston/Kings Cross used to be like on Saturday evenings in the 80s? :-S

Actually Strafer it was one the lovely ladies who approached mr Ben and Myself......no names....what goes on tour stays on tour etc ;-)

Did you lay France Mick?....thought not I've had a nice liitlke run recently Frankel Then I had a hunch on Inter against Lille and at 4s that was worth backing. I laid off my Suarez top goalscorer for a very amll profit I'm also happy with these Man City at 3.5 Norwich top promoted club 2s Everton top 10 finish LAY Fulham relegated 12s (looking to lay this shortly) er, I won't mention C.Cole top Championship goalscorer I've also done a long term bet on Urugay/Brazil and Argentina for the world cup, got pretty decent odds which means a profit if any of them win in Brazil plus some wiggle room to bet on a Europan side (probably Spain) or I guess bet on a 'Europan winner' nearer the time, as that's normally offered.

Mick is presumably going to be drinking himself senseless most of the weekend

There were even two accidental crashers at the 'do' ...well, nearby :)-D

Thanks SJ - appreciate a decent debate. Point 1 + 2 I think you'ere clouding membership of the EU with the Euro here. The enormous economic benefits of joining the EU to the likes of Spain and Ireland are self evident turning them into modern dynamic nations with, until recently, growing economies. Their economic growth prior rto the Euro was more than respectable and at largely at healthy and sustainable rates, withoiut the Euro this would have carried on without the excessive boom and horrendous bust though I absolutely accept that the 2008 bust wpould have happened and still been painful but not nearly as painful for these two. Busts are gonna happen (as Gordon sadly forgot) and they would bring the unstable structural issues behind the euro to the fore this particualr recession is truly horrific and worse than average so the circumstances are worse rhan 'average' and that has been 'unlucky' for the Euro but shit does happen and for all the reasons I identified and you acknowledge this was a big risk based on idealism not pargmatism. The worse case scenario - th total collapse of the Euro will put us back into a 30s style political/economic cycle and we all know how well that went in Europe. As it is Greece is effectively a demoralised, bankrupt, suffering and angry place now (that's a fair few million poeple!). Plenty of others on the edge too. On the idealism point I accept your point that some people are motivated by ideals and go for it, in a sense that's bold and visionary BUT, you know my views on macro political 'idealism', done nothing but get the world into trouble. Basically some European politicians and the Brussells establishment with 'vision' which wasn't entirely convincingly endorsed by most of its citizens, dare I say even dumped on them should ahoulder the blame for this mess. If the Euro surbvives it won't be as before and will involve a centralisation of decision making, budgets, taxation, fiscal policy, etc - to a degree that probably will happen becuase it will need to to stop whole nations going down the pan but that ISN'T something that any of the citizens of Europe have really been given a choice on, not very democratic at all. A bit like having a baliff/creditor take over how, when and on what you spend your money - i see enormous political problems down the road if the euro collapses or survives.

Right. Annoyed beyond belief at being continually labelled a bigot (about as well thought out as labelling all white South Africans racists) for calling the Euro out as the disaster it is proving. I?m going to spell out my views yet again. 1) I do not want the UK to withdraw from the Europe 2) I am not opposed to the principle of a Single European currency or even the UK joining it (hell, I?m not even opposed to a single global currency) ? I understand the benefits of a stable, strong global currency in the modern world BUT At the launch of the currency many voices, predominantly (but not exclusively) to the right of centre politically made a number of points about the huge risk that the Euro as it was launched incurred. The main one was that a single currency was largely unworkable and hugely risky without stronger fiscal and political union than currently exists within the European Union, and boy have they been proved right. On a micro level key elements of this would be. - Decision making would be laborious and unwieldy with so many countries needed to ratify things like, erm, bailouts say and the markets hate uncertainty. Well anyone going to argue that hasn?t happened? - Giving certain, er, financially less disciplined European countries interest rates based on German financial prudence was like giving a teenager a credit card without looking at the bill until the bailiffs came knocking. Certain governments binged on cheap credit to actual and potential disaster ? Greece, Portugal, Ireland?..er, maybe Italy. This wouldn?t have happened with strong fiscal control. - The economic models and cycles in various countries was too different for a single interest rate, which was largely based on what was good for the German and French cycles/economies. Hence Spain and Ireland in particular saw a massive property boom on top of an already booming market, fuelled by low interest rates. Mr Brown and Balls deserve enormous credit for recognising this point in particular or god knows how much worse the boom and subsequent bust would have been here. - Related to above, since the bust, Euro Interest rates have remained far higher than those in say the US or UK largely to fight inflationary pressure uin Germany, this has been an utter disaster for Ireland , Spain et al giving them no flexibility (dare I say sovereignty?). The UK in contrast has been able to slash interest rates to the lowest levels ever I shudder to think what would have happened here if they?d stayed at Euro levels - Critics also pointed out that there were wide discrepancies in standards of accounting/economic data/tax collection that would eventually come out in the wash and were certainly fudged to get in in the first place (Greece, Ahem?.also not that convinced by Italy) and - Sadly, and deeply undealistically of them, that the individual nations still saw themselves as individual nations too much to properly embrace this and boy has the crisis shown that to be true ? German taxpayers moaning about ?lazy Greeks?, Greeks blaming it on some German plot to take them over, France, Italy and Germany squabbling about how much of a ?haircut? the banks needed to take, largely taking a position on this based on how much their country?s banks were exposed. Ireland point blank refusing to give up its lower corporation tax rate, etc etc - Eventually the Germans would be dominant as the most financially disciplined, most populous and significantly biggest economy. That?s not necessarily a problem but it WOULD and is beginning to be the reality I could go on but it?s depressing beyond belief and we?ve not even got to the next stage of the crisis which is the political repercussions of all this. I think the Euro in its current form is dead, whatever happens literally millions are suffering as a result of this grand ideal and a global recession looms which will push whole countries to the wall (and I?m not that confident about UK plc in this scenarios) nd see serious civil unrest. Tell me where I?m wrong, argue with me, but stop calling me a bigot because you?ve no answer to this. There was also an ?argument? about the Euro based on bigotry and distrust of Foreigners as put forward by the moronic UKIP (and worse) and the idiot fringe of the Tory party. Sadly but predictably and typically, many so called ?Progressives? and ?Idealists? and their papers have and to shameful degree accused/slurred ALL those opposed to the Euro as being in the latter camp effectively stifling debate. It?s tedious, it?s boring, it?s dishonest and, fundamentally, it?s stupid.

I've chortled

Nope, saturday morning post Waybuloo in Quids Towers

No. I'm saying it won't 'shock'...that's all. Elvis was 55 years ago. It, 'youth', is all old hat, and far too many 40 somethings and even a few 50 somethings still doing it On the musical side I'm just not technical enough to know if there's much new sound to be invented, new intsruments to make them, etc