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'Liberals' in thinking they've got the monopoly on being 'decent human being' shocker. Foie Gras is a revolting product - I'd have though people with ethics and decency might recognise this and maybe strike this food delicacy of their list, huge sacrifice that that would obviously be, there's plenty of other gorgeous far more ethical food products. But oh no, apparently that's too much of a sacrifice for such fundamentally decent and ethical people....

Katieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

It's difficult for a party that's so reliant on state employees and unions for its funding and support to do this as a) Labour found out in the 70s b) and is probably why some more strategic minded Labour politicians are secretly plaesed they are not in power when such painful and neccessary cuts to public spending are being made Critics might argue thats this bit (below) is an assumption rather than proved but I tend to agree Or is there more precedent for a left wing government taking the tax and spend approach that leads to increasing debt. It could be argued that Roosevelt's left wing govt in the 30s pulled the US out of the Depression, though modern economists tend to say it was the war. But generally, my personal view is that left wing governemnts are generally terrible at economics becuase they are all about romance and nothing about ptracticality.

Obama is showing a distincxt lack of balls on this in the same way that Cameron doesn't seem to really be stood up and counted on matters of principle - just modern pro politicians maybe

I have chosen lower returns from ethical investments, which I would argue considerably affects my lifestyle. I have chosen not to work for unethical people who would pay me a shit load more than I'm earning now, which quite definitely affects my lifestyle. My first concern will always be people over animals, which is why the pony sanctuary that recently DM-ed me wasted their cash. People I won't compromise on, animals I occasionally do. I'm happy with that, it fits my principles. Rosie that's almost parody of liberal lite rubbish. So you don;'t invest in arms manufacturers or work for them - the sacrifice, I weep. But thanks to such self sacrificing virtousness you can do what you want elswhere... Elsewhere on this page I try not to think about it and it's all the slaughtering of animals anyway Bottom line - exposed false principles for a revolting abuse of animals. I'm not angry, unlike LadyD it's not a shock to me the smug hypocracy of the metroplitan middleclasses - it has has amused/bemmused me for years now Stop making excuses your over indulged stomachs hold more importance to you than ethics - ironically, given the subject matter, you don't like been force fed this inconvenient truth, oooh no.

Rosie the line you talk about on principles is maybe too often is "when it affects my lifestyle'

Riled? Where's the riled bit Hugenot? I said it riles other people to have it pointed out...it makes me chuckle - serioulsy I'm not the first one to say do you actually read what people write on here? Or does youer keeness to argue (which I share) mean that you just scan read it and 'think' you know what posters have posted? So all is rosy in Rosies' garden then....mmmm....would you happily stretch that Human Condition argument into more obviously contraversial SE22 issues, let's say Racism?

As always Huge you're missing my point, probably deliberately and tieing it up with M's lone crusade, for which I care nothing about. I'm just laughing (andi t is only laughing) at the self-justification of eating a product that's so obviuolsy non-pc and actually revolting manufactured (the prcatice not the actual FG) I love you all but you but the collective htypocracy by those that wear their 'progressive' politics as a badge of honour makes me chuckle a lot and is an easy and worthwhile target. It's a lovely example of liberal hypocarcy - shit taking a princilpled stand on this means I actually have to make a sacfifice to my priveliged lifestyle...oh, in that case I don't think I'll bother. Riles people too, doesn't it. To have the shallowness of their principles so clearly exposed.

Them astronauts actually get helmets the cheeky buggers

Glad we could help. Off to bed now though.

Only another 5 and 3/4 hours to go

Santana - Nobody Told me about her Specials - Ghost Town Primal Scream - Loaded

I'm here. Lookin good in that fake beard again Moos

Iron it you idiot..... or put it over a candle

I'm sure Wilberforce heard that sort of argument endlessly BB - there are things that are clearly not right.

I'd rather ballet, flower arranging and knitting

Luckily for the Guardian readers of SE22 Fox tastes shite if not your stomachs would no doubt create some sort of Guardian backed argunment for that particular obscenity. Foie Gras is revolting..... and crap about the law and infringement on your civil rights shows what a spoilt load of bourgeois you are. Principles and idealism until it imterfere's with your cozy bourgoeis lifestyles....what a surprise. Eat it if you want, it's legal after all but spore me lectures on moral justice etc in the future.

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > for the cricket or just generally? ...the cricket..... if it was generally I'd have the french in there too

I've managed to keep my stuff undeleted from a slightly macho point of view...even with a few winces and some squirms :))

Good shout maxi - got me head nodding in beepy way :))

There's also a cracking one from Squeeze but the name escapes me at the mo. Pulling muscles for a shell?

I blame the Saffas and the Oirish

...and some life insurance

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone believe that the current argument is > financial not political? > > Surely it's largely born out of the > republican/Tea Party hatred of Obama? If Bush was > in power the current limit would be raised without > the blink of an eye Me - I agree. I think the US has to face upto this at some point but am suspiciuos on exactly why now

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