SeanMacGabhann

Good shout BN5 - I'll read that on the way home tonight A great book anyway, recommended heartily

is it not on spotify then? Mind you you are young enough to still be not too suspicious using Myspace

I think I still have the book knocking around if you want to borrow it, skid

welcome to the forum and the area Good post - by your "field" is it your job? And is this book considered any good? I enjoyed it anyway As to the 20mph zone - is teh speed limit the problem or the inability to enforce it?

you know when you are in the middle of doing something and you already know you shouldn't.... That (what ... said) is just one of dozens of bad habits I have acquired. Ditto smiley usage

Is that Mariella's problem page in the Obs? I like that enough to admit it changed my opinion of her..

Isn't the more likely reason for concealement, the fact that motorists are quite open about only slowing down for cameras? So if the goal is to stop people speeding, then making the cameras obvious only works in proximity to the cameras?

I'm going to stand by the "childish" word Tony - I will clarify and say I'm not directing at you or any other poster on here with a different viewpoint. I am directing it at the collective motorist voice, which in my view is far too quick to claim victimhood in all of this. And again I say, what other activity would be tolerated with an average of 60 casualties every single week? I try to keep that number in mind when I make any judgement on traffic As for position of speed cameras. When I got my license they were nowhere near as prolific as they are now and yet, when I took my test - nay, tests plural - I did so in the full knowledge of what the rules of the road were. I know what the speed limits are. I know that speed limits vary from road to road. I know they can change dramatically (I lived in Devon at the time where country road to A road to tiny village happened regularly) and yet I managed to keep to the limit. It's easy. And it's the right thing to do. And if that menas I stand accused of being holier-than-thou then so be it But since the proliferation of cameras (and other measures) road deaths have decreased. So when I hear people say "they" are trying to catch "us" out I just despair for humanity. Something so fundamental as taking responsibility for our own actions is thrown out the window as we reach for the "money making" excuse. As I have said before let's state for a fact that we know 100% these cameras are money making scams. Let's just agree with that for the sake of argument.. Now.... how could such a dastardly scheme be defeated?? If only there were some way we could make "them" wish they had never spent all those millions on expensive cameras. There must be some way, surely?? What if.... and hear me out, what if people kept to the speed limit and then no revenue went back to them! It's crazy but it might just work But I know for a fact it's not about hidden cameras in revenue making spots - and by "fact" I mean from a drivers perspective. Not bothering with a car in London I end up in other peoples cars. And the majority of these people, when travelling outside London, start smiling and grinning childishly as they show me their camera detector. They drive recklessly, and slow only when the detector warns them,... What was that number again... 60 people a week..... And don't you think it was these "normal" drivers who before they killed one of those 60 people a week who felt immune from any risk of it happening to them? So - in order Question 1 you asked: My answer is that if the random chance of being caught speeding is higher it should motivate people to take fewer risks. I would say that that has been successful in recent years Your second question sounds very like the first one so I'll give the same answer

With an annual death toll of about 3000 people a year, I'm struggling to comprehend what other disease, or terrorist threat, or anything would be tolerated to the extent where 60 people die every single week.... and have so many people opposed to any measures to curb that number yet any vote-losing initiative to reduce that amount is met with endless excuses - either pedestrians are dopy (which they can be to be sure!) to "its a money making scam" It's just childish. To claim that the government are petty and farcical when drivers openly admit flouting existing speeding laws is just double-speak. So cameras are hidden are they? And your point is what? That you only obey the law if you know you are being watched.. Shame on you I say

There is already a thread open about this which may interest - voici

Sorry to come back again PR, but this is the bit I tried to clarify earlier - from what I can read and pick up from radio news and media, this is being considered not just in Southwark but across London, and is already in place in cities such as Leicester and Oxford. So surely that specific problem (drivers having to change "rules" outside of Southwark) isn't really an issue?

For some reason i took the "lucky" comment to not mean sleep. But that might say more about me

that happened to me for the first time ever this week - how odd. I closed it down and haven't seen it again (but then I haven't rebooted). If it happens again I'll get rid of it properly and let you know. Only by then, Iimagine several other people will have helped you out..

is that true? I would have thought judging from the outcries I hear that picking on motorists is a vote-LOSER.

It's usually utility company readers OR Jehova's Witnesses in my experience. I was getting paranoid at one point as they seemed to all bunch up visit-wise (much as you describe) but the went away after a few weeks

Drogba is doing it again right now. . What a knob

Not most road users pr. . But enough

Metal tables have to go - a real bugbear for me I've always thought the interior of MPC would benefit from darker, left-bank-Paris style, but again that's just me As it is I'm glad to hear about the license change and look forward to popping in - best of luck

A large plank of the OP's argument against this was the inconsistency across London and Southwark would be the only borough, causing poor, befuddled drivers no end of problems - but having looked into this I can't find any evidence to support it. BBC London are currently talking about it being introduced London-Wide after successful implementations in other towns (Oxford being one) and a quick google shows that several stories have been published claiming this or that borough is "the one" As for 20mph and why, this article (albeit from Galway) has several citations from international studies 20mph limits On the same BBC London show several people have rung in voicing the usual complaints which only undermine their argument. My favourite was the one that said "my car stalls at 20mph - I couldn't follow the rules" - which is blatantly a lie unless the congestion charge has worked SO well there is never any tailbacks in London

For those who haven't seen The Wire

For those who haven't seen The Wire

What Piers said. Although... I'm listening to BBC London at the mo, and one woman has phoned in to complain about how police are having their powers taken away every day. Did I miss a meeting?

What Piers said. Although... I'm listening to BBC London at the mo, and one woman has phoned in to complain about how police are having their powers taken away every day. Did I miss a meeting?

Can I be FOR TPB but AGAINST most of the people who use it? I'm not against "copying" per se - the whole "home taping is killing music" form the 70s was absurd. But I have given up talking to people at work who view it as their right to not pay for anything. At all. I copied music and games when I was younger. And I sometimes seek out music that isn't available anywhere else (If anyone has a legit CD of Screaming Blue Messiahs Gun-Shy album I will pay cash) but I always bought what I wanted. And still do maybe TPB made it too easy. Ach - *Bob*'s first post on here says all that needs to be said

Can I be FOR TPB but AGAINST most of the people who use it? I'm not against "copying" per se - the whole "home taping is killing music" form the 70s was absurd. But I have given up talking to people at work who view it as their right to not pay for anything. At all. I copied music and games when I was younger. And I sometimes seek out music that isn't available anywhere else (If anyone has a legit CD of Screaming Blue Messiahs Gun-Shy album I will pay cash) but I always bought what I wanted. And still do maybe TPB made it too easy. Ach - *Bob*'s first post on here says all that needs to be said