SeanMacGabhann

Difference being I won't accost you in public with my different viewpoint. Happy to disagree on here tho

There is no question you have a negative view Whether it is an overly-negative view, disproportionate to the risks is where we differ I hold that you have no perspective on the issue and had no right to impose that perspective on a stranger. A point of view I share with your husband As for dismissing other factors ? you said ?am not sure that the risks of a poor diet are 'even greater than smoking during pregnancy'? ? which sounded dismissive to me

Liga Are you now comparing my using a public forum to debate a point (or as you call it ?habitually? popping up, shouting my mouth off) with what you did to a stranger in public? There is a world of difference in that ? anyone coming on here and entering any debate expects to have people disagree with them. That woman entered no such voluntary contract. That makes what you did wrong Have you said unborn children should not be put at ANY risk? No you haven?t said that to be fair ? I didn?t mean to twist your words However, you do constantly make very big statements about how smoking is so particularly harmful whilst dismissing so many others (such as diet)

Same old arrant nonsense. What bullying is going on exactly? - once again people who are disagreed with cry mummy and say they are being bullied. Only person bullied was the unsuspecting woman you had a pop at. All the rest is disagreement. Or would you care to say how you and others are being bullied exactly? As for your judgement of the people being happy to stick to an internet website, that just shows how little you know and how many people on here actually do interact in real life. As in a real community. people afraid to post are just that - anonymous cowards, and hiding behind a cry of "cyber bullies" is just pathetic It was me who mentioned about crossing roads - and I did that to point on the nonsensical nature of your circular arguments. You are trying to say that an unborn child should be put under NO risk or danger at all. But it is also impossible to wrap yourself and the child in cotton wool. Every single day people take calculated risks to get through life - road casualties are a massive statistic but we all cross roads, or drive - knowing full well it's unlikely to happen. Same thing as the woman smoking. It's unlikely to have any consequence of any import - (unlike downing bottles of vodka or taking heroin) But if I was married to or living with someone carrying a child, and they smoked - I would try and talk them out of it. But a stranger on the street? That is the problem people have with yo uand you just don't get it As for you backtracking and saying how polite you were to the woman in question? I would love to see how you tell someone they should be "ashamed" and how "disgusting" they are in a polite fashion

yes, because of course they are all the same thing as having a fag When are the pro-shout-at-strangers mob on here going to realise that none of us are promoting smoking whilst pregnant. We are just saying that, relatively speaking, it's not that big a deal. Relatively speaking. Compared to say, walking across the road, it's pretty safe, for example. It's certainly not comparable to downing a bottle of vodka or taking heroin FFS.

I?m largely with the M?s as well The receipts are the least of it if you go somewhere like WH Smiths tho? And don?t get me started on people at cashpoints who bypass the Cash Only option, choose a With Receipt and then just walk away without even looking at it!

BLATANT fishing for ????, Mick. Far too obvious.... He'll never rise to that

Saw it yesterday as well ? spent most of the film going ?THIS is what everyone has been sobbing about??? I mean I enjoyed it muchly, but didn?t well up at any point.. and then, a few minutes before the end, I went. Good and proper And can we stop pretending 3D is anything but a gimmick? ? in future I?ll pay the extra to watch in 2-D.

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World of difference naz Dropping litter not only pollutes public space in a socially unacceptable way, but you can be fined for it. Dropping litter is not minding your own business

Obvious similarities, but would jrussel have gone to the trouble of having an earlier posting history, such as Ligaturiosity's maybe

cutting missus, cutting

I?m not so sure she is a troll ? not conciously anyway. I doubt she knows what an internet troll is ? she would rather wiki ?chav? than ?troll? For all their obnoxiousness, trolls posess a low-level cunning and infantile sense of humour that Lita? just?. doesn?t. Far more likely (and depressing) that she is as narcisstic and deluded as she appears And I believe her when she says she has lots (well, more than 2) of PM?s from people to ?scared? to post. Truly, resistance is fertile But if it was ME getting upset about being called psycho or a nutter, I?m not sure I would go about it the way she has

And someone claims they are sensitive to being called names? Ligaturiosity, you are not worth engaging with

I think Peckham was mentioned because that's where the nearest McDona;d's is, rather than any ethnic reason, Ligaturiosity The logic being, if you are worried about how parents abuse children through their own thoughtlessness, you have plenty of ammo to do so right there - "look they are making their chiildren fat!!!" - basically, what I said about Gillian McKeith earlier As for rephrasing your original post, I'm willing to bet regardless of how you THINK you came across to this woman, I bet she thinks you were maniacal. But you don't want to even consider that apparently

But Heidi, it was the OP who acted as the lynch mob (judge, jury and verbal executioner) to a complete stranger By comparison, people on here are restrained! It?s not just the original incident ? anyone of us can lose our rag on the wrong day and blow off steam at some unsuspecting person. But there is a complete lack of any balance or remorse since. What are people MEANT to say? It is staggering that someone can behave so rudely in real life, and start a thread about it, only for other people to be accused of rudeness

HH To a degree I agree with you of course. Name-calling isn?t big or clever and to accuse someone of being mentally ill is a fairly serious accusation. So I?m going to withdraw any such accusation towards the OP Could I get with saying it was nutty behaviour rather than the individual being a nutter tho? Also, it is surely semantics to say the OP did not call the smoker names ? her original post used the following ?"I could not help but give her a filthy look, which she reciprocated... and then I let loose told her how selfish she was how disgusting is was to be smoking whilst pregnant I told her she should be ashamed of herself as well."? Coming from anybody, I would say those were names. Coming from a stranger it?s abuse Not to mention the subtext, which is that she is basically saying the smoker is physically harming her baby. A baby-harmer is as bad a name as you can call someone And it?s all very well saying people on the forum are rude ? how can the OP behave SO badly towards a stranger in ?real life? and then expect people to just say ?I disagree with you??

y'see this is the bit I don't understand - how can you be so sensitive to people calling you names when you have publicly had such a pop at someone? That isn't me calling you any names, just a genuine question

Heidi, ?tis indeed the same Sean The problem we have here is that Ligaturiosity is complaining a lot about ?the vitriol and personal attacks on my character?. She also talked earlier about being ?offended? So clearly this is a person who cares about vitriol and attacks on character and offending people right? Yet she is the one who, in her own language, has attacked the character of someone she doesn?t know, in public. And judging by her language on here, she is pretty vitriolic. And she has offended a lot of people It really doesn?t matter if lots of cowardly people are PM?ing her to offer her support - she openly admits pre-judging a situation and acting in a manner which is beyond acceptable. If vitriol, offense and character are her watchwords then, in this situation, she should have kept her views to herself. This woman was not beating her child, or leaving it exposed in the sun. It IS possible to have a cigarette without harming an unborn baby. But as I said earlier ? she could be on 50 a day and at this stage of the pregnancy it doesn?t make any difference ? it?s too late. She isn?t saving anyone, or changing anyone?s behaviour. And nor is she giving anyone the benefit of the doubt. Her admonishing a complete stranger is all about her ego Again ? if this was a theoretical debate it would be one thing. (and remember ? pretty much EVERYONE is agreeing with her basic point about smoking and pregnancy) But the way she behaved just isn?t acceptable. As someone has said, where does she stop? Is she going to stand outside MaccyD?s and berate every parent who walks in or out with a clearly obese child?

Certainties in life: death, taxes and the unreliability of the BBC weather. Even allowing for the shaky nature of all other forecasts, the BBC forecast can almost be relied upon to be the polar opposite of what happens Which I guess makes it almost the most reliable Anyway ? www.weatherpro.eu is where I use when I feel the need to be curious about the weather

Because preening narcissists tend to attract venom is the simple answer Let?s be clear ? the original post was NOT about an ?unborn baby? (and there is a phrase btw much beloved of scary fundamentalists who shoot doctors) ? it was entirely about the self-centred nature of the OP There are 2 main possibilities about the woman who was smoking a) She was a heavy heavy smoker who was putting her child at risk b) She was a stressed individual having a rare fag, unlikeley to put anything at risk. Certainly not in comparison to most other things she does in her life Either way, a rude interruption from a total stranger is going to have zero bearing on any outcome. None. It?s late in the pregnancy ? too late for interventionin any case. Even best friends, with gentle persuasion would stuggle to change what happened. The OP told this woman off because that?s how she gets her kicks. Much like Gillian McKeith (or to give her her full medical title, Gillian McKeith) And THEN she comes on to a public forum to solicit agreement for her boorish behaviour And people are surprised she attracts venom??

Having an opinion is one thing. Getting in some strangers face about your opinion is quite another This forum is good for expressing an opinion. But you cross the line when you verbally assault a stranger in public. And I'll prove this the next time I encounter you on the street. The woman wasn't doing anything illegal so you have absolutely no right to speak to her the way you describe. You might not like it and you can say as much to your mates or on here, but by crossing the line as you did... That is nutter territory

Quids you Kant. Daizie teed me up for that 100 and you stole it I don't need livening up... I have my eye on you All of you

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