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???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone watch the Nation's Favourite Motown Song > last night? A bit light (ITV) but some good > stories (and class songs obviously) I did but was disappointed that, given the huge back batalogue of Motown, how lightweight it was, and that the tunes higlighted were the ones you hear all the time on main stream radio. Craig Charles presented it like an episode of robot wars, which didn't help.

http://www.retrosoulradio.co.uk/ Listen to these guys, quality

Don't tell me tell her - Phyllis Hyman

Gastro pubs, what's wrong with a good old fashioned boozer

Condition red - Baltimore ohio marching band - top mod and northern instrumental

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'Chattering classes,' is a hackneyed expression > verging on meaningless I agree. People who read > and talk about it. Small 'L' liberal? The > intelligentsia? Forumites? I dunno. Do you know? > > What do you call Western powers?' Me, you, us? I'm > well meaning, I don't know about you. > > It would be nice to be able to blame Blair for the > bloody mess but sadly I'm not sure we can The western powers includes the UK, which I've mentioned previoulsy, and you already knew that. UK Foreign policy going back way before Blair and the like is partly responsible for the sh*t storm in the middle east. To say the UK has in some way been like a beneficent uncle trying to correct a wayward nephew is utterly wrong, especially as it is their policy that has contributed to this mess. Other European countries have also contributed in some shape of form, as has the USofA. I don't accept the well meaning concept, most foreign policy is usually about what's best for us not those living in the country effected by it.

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Troof ???? > > 'Western powers' should be prefaced by 'well > meaning' before we enter into a bout of > self-flagellation No it shouldn't as I don't believe they were well meaning. Many of the actions taken by "Western Powers" were taken purely out of self interest rather than anything else

womanofdulwich Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > steveo you were listening to the Today programme > too? Just feel like leaving them all too it, > sometimes it feels like they live to hate. Israelis or Palestinians? Let's not forget that much of the situation in the middle east lays at the door of many of the Western powers, UK included.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How about Max Cl... oh hang on... > > Totally know what you mean steveo, but at the same > time it's to get behind Israel when their answer > to most situations appears to be an air strike. Indeed and as a result losing any moral high ground they aspire to. Some of their actions have been no better than those by terrorist organisations they denounce. But while they continue to have the support of the world police force, aka USA, they'll continue in the same vein.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not just cynical steve but your actually starting > to be insulting to people who have suffered > plenty. > > You don't believe them that's up to you Strafer, was he found guilty as a result as a result of irrefutable evidence or on the balance of probability, or because the allegatiosn were beyond reasonable doubt? I find it odd that, like Saville, these allegations seem to go go back years and have only been pursued by the victims now. That is probably why some perhaps feel the lure of compo may have been the main motivating factor. I don't say thse people haven't been abused, just need to clearly understand why the huge delay in bringing matters to court.

It paid for a nice plate of fish and chips down in Hasting where the fair was being held and a few jazz/fusion albums that some guy was selling for ?3 and ?4 each. Even though it pissed down all the way home I was well happy.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It didn't happen on the pitch, it has no bearing > on the world cup, there's no debate to be had over > what punishment is appropriate... that's why > people aren't discussing it. Not because anybody > thinks its OK. And that is the point I've been trying to put over to Anna.

Annasfield Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can you point out to where he has been defended by > a Liverpool fan on this thread please? > > We were all told last week how disgusting biting > was, etc etc. I just assumed the same comments > would apply in what appears to be a far worse > situation. Silly me. But you've only brought this up BECAUSE of the Suarez incident, you wouldn't have given it a second thought had that NOT happened. Yes it's awful yes it's despicabe, but so is Chewy Suarez. Better?

Going to a record fair and finding a record worth ?60 in pristine condition and paying 50p for it, taking it 50 feet to a dealer mate stalled out at the same fair, and he says "I've been after a copy of that for years, will you take ?50?". Oh go on then.

Annasfield Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A link gets posted about a fan having a chunk of > his ear bitten off in a racist attack and no one > even comments. No outrage this time? Sorry did this hapen on the pitch while millions of viewers looked on? And did it happen on 3 ocassions? Regardless of who the little rat plays for he's out of order and he's been punished. Instead of griping about it how about moving on, or better still admitting he's a wrong un rather than trying to delect the flack on to another side issue? How many times must Liverpool and it's fans try to defend the indefensible, the T shirts issued for the Evra affair were enbarrassing, and this is going the same way. He's probably off to Barca anyway, we'll see if you feel the same way if does bugger off to Spain.

R.I.P Bobby

My balloon's going up _ Archie Bell and the Drells

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rubbish. I get a bit shocked when my little girl > comes back with bite marks (occasionally) from > other 4 year olds; i'd be mortified if any of my > kids did it; a 27 year old millionaire doing it in > front of a global audience including many kids is > a fooking disgrace. Well said quids, the man is a head case and needs help, on the basis that he's done the same thing on 3 occasions, I think that is apparent to all.

adonirum Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Listening to Status Quo I'd never have guessed

My 2 sons

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Some ex player (I think it might have been > Ballack) was recently quoted as saying "Italian, > Dutch, German teams know how they want to play, > but England don't". I don't think he was > referring to particular teams, or teams under > particular coaches, but speaking more generally, > and I think he has a point. > > I recently read that Robben, RVP and Sneijder > played together in Dutch youth teams from their > early teens, and although they then played at > loads of different clubs in lots of different > countries they don't have a problem playing 'Dutch > style' for the national team. The Spanish were > successful when they basically adopted the > Barcelona style, regardless of the personnel, and > I also recently read that Belgium credit a fair > amount of their recent success to the fact that > some years ago the national coach basically > insisted that all Belgian club academy teams > should play 433. Joachim Low tweaked the > traditional German style but he had a basic style > that all the players understood to start from. > > England don't have their own set way of playing > that all the players understand, partly because > the traditional England approach was more about > attitude than tactical nous (or at best it was > standard, boring 442), and partly because > Premiership clubs mostly have foreign managers and > foreign players who are constantly changing, so no > consistency. > > If we want to do better we need a coach who is > prepared to define a tactical approach and pick > the players to fit the system. The best players > will be able to adapt. What we need, and I've said it many times before, is a complete culture change a new mind set, and more money and resources dedicated to grass roots level football coupled with a focus on getting kids to learn about touch, technique, skill and reading the game. Too often the cry heard while standing on the touch line at kids 7 aside games is "get stuck in", as soon asI hear that, I walk away. It's as if we determined NOT to evolve and to extract all elements of enjoyment from the game at a very early stage. What do we expect from those kids as they grow up, the new crop of Ronaldos, Henry's, Van Bastens, Bergkamps et al. Fat chance. Until there is a radical shake up and the fat cats of the prem filter some money to where its most needed, it will be the same old same old.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Doesn't make it right though. Spot on Jah.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "And if he played for any of the teams people on > here support, I imagine they'd also not want to > see him banned for their clubs. " > > well i can answer that - I would want shot of him > if he was at Arsenal. In fact when we "bid" for > him last year this is what I said > > "It?s one of the most heated discussions I can > recall amongst Arsenal fans. > > Those of us who suggest we don?t want someone of > his character at the club are shouted at for > lacking ambition. You just know those same people > were at front of the Q condemning him when he > played for Liverpool > > I don?t think he will sign for Arsenal, and I hope > he doesn?t" And I think I recall saying I didn't want him at Arsenal because of his antics, and my opinion hasn't changed. I'm sure Barca and Real are thinking twice now, or see it as good way of getting him on the cheap because they will argue his temprament is suspect and may face being without out him for a third of the season as a result of daft behaviour on the pitch. And by the way Otta, a Liverpool season ticket holder at work said to me today Suarez should be banned from ALL football for a year. Not all Liverpool fans think it's just a silly thing to brush aside. That's 3 times he's biten an opponent. The guy is clearly deranged.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What about headbutts? And I don't mean clashes > going for the ball, I mean the Alan Pardew school > of putting your head in someone's face. First things first. I totally disagree with maxxi, and why he's mentioned Englands showing at the WC in this context is beyond me. Nor do I understand the comparing what pundits have done in the past to his behaviour. Regardless of their behaviour, Suarez is out of order. Put whtaever others have doen to one side for the moment, we are discussing Suarez here. Not what pundits may or may not have done in their careers, that's a seperate discussion. Oh and Pardew "there's too many foreigners in the league" was/is and always will be a fcuk wit.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just for the record, I've not excused his > behaviour anywhere. On Facebook I immediately > posted saying he's clearly got something wrong > with his head. > > But equally I think people are getting a bit > carried away. > > He's made an absolute fool of himself AGAIN, and > on the world stage. He's probably screwed his > chances of a great move to Real or somewhere. > He'll no doubt receive a pretty hefty punishment, > but all this "ban him for a season or for life" > talk is stupid. The question is what to do with such a guy, clearly bans don't work.