Parkdrive

Downing? Really? We are in a bad way.

I don't believe the Police as an institution are racist. They certainly have had some shameful episodes in the past, and will probably have some in the future, as have many institutions. I can't believe for a second that each and every serving officer is racist. I've been stopped by customs and excise many times at check points on return trips from overseas purely because I have an Islamic surname, especailly since the troubles in the Gulf going back as far as the 70's, I never felt compelled to accuse HM Customs and Excise of being instituitionally racist. Bloody minded and difficult yes.

Bluerevolution Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > apparently Arsenal fans are trying to lodge a > complaint against Agger and Liverpool that > Wilshere was "done on purpose, knobbled to stop > our chance" Behave !! > Oh by the way, my ickle citeh won some shitty > shiny trophy on Sunday !!! > > NO HISTORY !! Fans have not lodged a complaint, the club want compensation for the injury from the FA, which is fair enough.

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Big Fun - Inner City

Ladygooner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Typical - Wilshire out for 6 weeks following foot > injury from last night's meaningless friendly! Yep, cheers England and Agger.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If I'd have written that and saw how it could > easily be read as accusing someone of being racist > I most definitely would have followed it up with > > "that reads like x, apologies, it certainly wasn't > intended that way" > > The rest of your spat is your (plural) business. Yet I've said many times that's isn't what I've accused him of, just his take on it. not sure what else I can add.

Big bayou - Ronnie Wood

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > and clearly you're not reading mine. > Never mind, I tried. Indulge me, are you really seriously suggesting I should apologise?

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think it was this post > > "Chuckle? you've made me fall about. Behave, > you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking > racial hatred here, or are you missing the point > on purpose?" > > I admit my jaw dropped when I read it as the > comma, strictly speaking, means the clauses > "you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking > racial hatred here" are related. > Then I realised that's not what he meant, but > instead of trying to make that clear as usual PD > just upped the confrontational ante. > > I guess what he meant was > > "Chuckle? you've made me fall about. Behave, > you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking > racial hatred here , or are you missing the point > on purpose?" > > But of course the point was that club rivalry was > exactly what we were talking about, we had moved > on from racism to players moving to rival clubs > and club hatred. > > Anyway, I'll take silence as an implicit apology > to quids that what he wrote was easily inferred as > an accusation of racism even if it wasn't (and i > really don't think it was) implied. > > Oh and imply vs infer Apologise for what exactly? I've not accussed him of anything. He stated that I was rude, etc and then says I'm, a "K*nt". So my point is that he was not as pure as the driven snow, snow white as in he has been guilty of the things he accuses me of. Clearly you are reading something into my posts which aren't there.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Good post Otta. Spot on. > > Anyway, watching the England match tonight and > they're playing like a bunch of strangers. Rooney > in particular is showing how "world class" he is - > i.e = rubbish. Agreed

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow, I go away for the day and it all kicks off. > > PD, I honestly don't think you can compare "we > hate man u, we hate man u" (or any other club) > with racial hatred, they're not even in the same > ball park. > > Quids probably shouldn't have stooped to calling > you a name, but you did basically suggest he was a > bit racist, and I'd probably call someone the same > thing if they called me a racist. > > What Quids called "hatred" was basically old skool > fan rivalry. For example, Arsenal hate Spurs, > Spurs hate Arsenal, this is an old local rivalry. > Most fans today probably don't live locally, but > will still say they hate each other. Dig deeper, > and there is no actual hatred from most of the > fans except a few hard core nutters, but it's just > a throw away word in this context. "I @#$%& hate > Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool/Man U...". > > Hating someone for the colour of their skin / the > country they were born in is not even similar. I neither called him or inferred that he was a racist at any point.

Needle and the damage done - Neil Young

Parkdrive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jah Lush Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Parkdrive Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > So now that their star is on the wane and after > > all > > > the shit they've given to others, it's our > turn > > to > > > laugh at your self made misery. And by the > way, > > I > > > still hate Spurs,and the Chavs more than > > United, > > > but not by much. > > > > > > What about Stoke City? > > > The less said about the orcs the better. The pen? > Seen them given, Charlie Adam, dirty no good c**t > as Spurs know. A draw would have been fair but we > didn't do enough to win. Adam banned for 3 games by the FA. There's a first time for everything.

Show and tell - Al Wilson

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > here is PD just a couple of days ago > > "The less said about the orcs the better. The pen? > Seen them given, Charlie Adam, dirty no good c**t > as Spurs know. A draw would have been fair but we > didn't do enough to win." > > Now, is that ?hatred?? > > Reads like it to me > > Almost violent hatred > > But not racist > > So in PD logic, he DOES agree that not all hatred > is the same And I think you'll find JAh also echoed my sentiment by calling him a bastard

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ..and you lecturing on hatred on here with your > constant, divisive, rude, belligerent, unfunny , > vitriolic crap day after day spoiling this thread > for many....lol Rude? This from you calling me a K*nt?

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I appreciate the support chaps but don't worry, > way above Parkdrives intelligence to see my > point..... > > Parkdrive, don't infer I am racist ever you K*nt I didn't infer you were a racist, I said hatred is not a good thing you've taken it upon yourself to take it as an inference. K*nt? And you talk about intelligence? You're way above my intelligence alright.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "So theres a difference between racial hatred and > hatred yes?" > > There is a difference between the mock(?) hatred > expressed between (say) you and Jah Lush, and the > sort of violent racial hatred you talk about > elsewhere, yes. Absolutely > > But you already KNOW this so why are you charging > around like a humourless bull in a china shop? I'm not and resent the fact that you're trying to prvoke a reaction. So you think the hatred as referred to by ????'s in general terms is ok on here but not race hate in football? And you've got the neck to call me humourless, so rich and hypocritical given the supposed sensitivity EDFers have demonstrated on here in the past. It must be catching.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > well, we weren't talking about racial hatred were > we PD? > > It was you who crowbarred it into a conversation > about rivalry in british football > > Not saying the problem you clearly want to talk > about doesn?t exist (it does) but you might want > to raise it as a separate topic instead of barging > in on an unrelated one and complaining when people > call you on it So theres a difference between racial hatred and hatred yes? EDF never fails to amaze me. And the racial issues I've posted about are to do with footabll, hence posts in FF. Call me on it? Hmm ok.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > mmmm, gonna take that plank out your eye before > you lecture others on 'hatred' in > football........as the single most bile full > poster on FF your lack of self awareness is making > me chuckle....... Chuckle? you've made me fall about. Behave, you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking racial hatred here, or are you missing the point on purpose?

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > a little bit of hatred is a good thing in > football..... I'm sure thats exactly what black players think when they get monkey chants in Eastern Europe, Italy, Turkey etc.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Parkdrive Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > As for the FA stating that the timing of his > comments were unfortunate > > is also strange. Clearly they feel there is a > > right and wrong time to talk about racism. FA > > definitely stands for F*ck All. > > I think the FA are alluding to the fact that > Campbell's comments have come out at the same time > as his new book. > Why didn't Campbell mention any of this at the > height of the Terry/Ferdinand storm. > I agree that there is no wrong or right time, but > his publicists and accountants obviously do... Granted, but I still think that, regardless of the commercial interests, the FA's track record is less than perfect in many, many respects.

Cathys Clown - The Everly Brothers

Wow what a reaction!! I do remember the West Ham game but that towards the end of his career. This mand was called a Rolls Royce of a player my many during his time, but the fact that Terry continued to be courted by England after the Ferndinand episode speaks volumes to me.