JohnL

Ooh free pint at The Prince Regent though :) (only joking but they do look happier than the last time I visited). I think it might be OK to start a new venture and having the energy and vibe - but it takes more than that to keep it going year in year out.

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > malumbu Wrote: > ----------------------------------- > It would be surprising if > > COBR was even being used at this moment seeing > as > > we are not yet in crisis. > > Yes. But the reference was to potential future > action. As to the specific role of the armed > forces. I see the Times Defence Correspondent > saying the army doesn't have the training to quell > domestic unrest at the moment as it's too long > since they were active on the streets of Northern > Ireland. This means army and defence insiders > she's spoken to in recent weeks are cool about the > idea. Thus reinforcing your comment that it would > likely be the job of the police to deal with any > civil unrest post No-Deal. A few of us remember 2011 - there was about 100+ policemen in a line outside my flat in a row with riot shields - for some reason my flat was the point of defence - I couldn't get home, the pubs closed so I wandered and watched the looting of East Dulwich Road Tesco's.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That place has never had any atmosphere. A > typically depressing boozer. They used to have Open Mic night on Mondays - which was really popular with some local musicians.

I pop in because its quiet - it's my refuge sometimes. Not that I mind if it becomes crammed again :)

Macron tears into Brexit - and mentions the great unmentionable within the UK - that it was all false promises. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-emmanuel-macron-says-eu-divorce-has-torn-british-society-apart-and-cant-be-a4048421.html "included Leavers and Remainers screaming at each other in the streets outside Parliament." I take issue with that - never heard SODEM screaming :)

The Queen has asked us to be nice so I won't comment :)

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That particular poster appears to have a few > issues, judging by a brief glance at their posting > history. Probably best not to feed the troll. > > rendelharris Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > cella Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > There seems to be an air from some > > > posters of needing to stay out of it if shop > > staff > > > don't seem bothered. > > > > How about staying out of it if the shop's > official > > policy is that people are allowed to put their > > shopping in their own bags instead of baskets > or > > trolleys? > > > > > You also cannot say with any > > > certainty that no theft took place. > > > > Even BusyBody admitted that they saw the person > > paying for their items at the checkout. Come to > > that you can't say with any certainty that any > > person we see leaving a store hasn't pinched > > anything, perhaps a vigilante group should be > > formed to search everyone as they leave and > force > > them to account (in a "firm but polite manner" > of > > course) for everything in their bags? I remember how many wealthy people in a certain Tesco (except me obviously LOL) used to enter the wrong type of apples in the till to save a few pennies (I couldn't believe it when a colleague on over ?100K did it at lunchtime). It actually made the news when Tesco blamed the posh apple thieves for a profit fall :)

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > if the reaction to the vote on both > sides wasn't so extreme, then we could have had a > decent public debate to focus on these specifics > that you're after. But yes, at the time my future > thinking was 'conceptual' That was Theresa May's immediate use of the term "People of Nowhere" and a few other choice comments that almost certainly came from her advisers (Nick and Fiona). (Actually the quote is ?If you believe you?re a citizen of the world, you?re a citizen of nowhere. You don?t understand what the very word ?citizenship? means.?) and below was a response at that time (late summer 2016) - that comment infuriated me and made me a "remoaner" https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-mays-citizen-of-the-world-speech-comment_uk_57fbae0de4b04e1174a53cdf Before calling A50 she should have looked at what consensus could be gathered - but way too late now.

The EU isn't perfect but it was a base to built on going forward and I believed. I don't trust the Tories on workers rights - the next Tory leader will be very right wing (the membership ensures that) and is most likely to be PM. It's also being played down but the Headquarters of many companies leaving UK means decisions at board level will be made abroad. I always supported an eventual EU Federal state before the campaign - however, if we exit we need a top down re-write of the UK constitution IMHO.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I use a big black sack with 'swag' written on it > to do my shopping. striped shopping jumper too.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > > > > > As a UK citizen - in my view my own personal EU > > citizenship has been stolen from me. > > At this stage it's still only attempted robbery. True AT first there was talk of individual citizenship but it all got discarded (too difficult ?).

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sephiroth Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Cat > > > > You are an immigrant and faced all of the > > challenges that that entails > > > > Some of us moved around countries which had > > freedom of movement. That has been taken away > from > > us. That is a material change > > To me, "moved around countries" = migration. I > still came here based on 'Freedom of movement' > using my EU citizenship, so the rules I came here > by are no different to you, it doesnt matter > whether I moved from Dublin, Dubrovnik or Dubbo. > My situation has changed just the same as it has > for any other EU migrant. > > But different strokes and all that, so agree to > disagree on that one then I guess. As a UK citizen - in my view my own personal EU citizenship has been stolen from me.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > technically, as I'm Irish, I "get a pass" from > having to apply. But we all know that's for now > don't we Unc? Already we Irish are causing > problems for you proud bulldogs and that won't be > forgotten the advantage of being Irish (either side of the border) is you can apply for dual nationality and keep freedom of movement. I'd do it but only Welsh and a little English :)

The EU have gone all Spice Girls ?We expect the United Kingdom to tell us what they want, what they really, really want,? said Margaritis Schinas." In an attempt to get May to listen for once in her life she then broke into song (I wish) "If you want a future, forget your past If you wanna get with me, better make it fast Now don't go wasting my precious time Get your act together we could be just fine"

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mr Corbyn is being found out. His six tests for a > Brexit plan are rightly dismissed as impossible to > meet. His demand that the?prime minister take > no-deal off the table rings hollow when he refuses > to throw his weight behind a viable alternative. > He is starting to look like just another > politician gambling with people?s lives for > his?own advantage. > > Part of an excellent piece in the > FT...https://www.ft.com/content/a88bcee2-1d5d-11e9 > -b2f7-97e4dbd3580d The chink of light is "There are also signs the Labour leadership could throw its weight behind a cross-party amendment, introduced by Labour backbencher Yvette Cooper and former Tory minister Nick Boles that would delay the March 29 Brexit date if no deal is agreed with Brussels by February 26."

DuncanW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Was this the offender? he doesn't look very hard for a pirate.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The EU and the EBU are two different things so no, > we are stuck with the misery of Eurovision > humiliation for a good while yet. Wouldn't be surprised if we finish last for the next 10 years - that's pretty normal anyway.

So Cameron allegedly told Donald Tusk there was no risk of a referendum as the Liberal Democrats would veto it during coalition negotiations after the 2015 election. Then he only went and got a majority :) "It was like his day of reckoning was coming, reckoning for his biggest mistake in his life.? Best laid plans of mice and men. https://www.politico.eu/article/european-council-president-donald-tusk-warned-david-cameron-about-stupid-brexit-referendum/

?65 fee for "settled status" scrapped by Mrs May.

Maybe the guy is germ adverse and doesn't like what sits at the bottom of the trolley.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reed Mogg is articulate and well practiced in the > art of debating. He is all the dangerous for that. Although apparently he's just said that only Central London wants to stop Brexit. Now at least he could have said "Inner London (Zones 1-4)"

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JoeLeg Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Well, so long as they pay to stay then it?s not > > true. But as even JRM said this morning, that?s > > grossly unfair and should not be happening. > > > > If they don?t pay, then by definition they > won?t > > have settled status and will have to leave at > some > > point. I think the point DR (and Mogg) is > making > > is that it?s a pretty dishonourable way of > going > > about things in terms of people who have lived > and > > paid taxes here, to tell them they have to > stump > > up the cost of staying if they want to. > > ?65 may not be much to many people, but the > > principle is what matters here. > > I don?t disagree with that JoeLeg. I?d prefer it > wasn?t the case. However I had to take Red Devil > to task about the way he worded his post in case > the more susceptible Remainers on here believed > the misinformation. Don't always believe that Remainers are susceptible - I'd say they are pretty sceptical - but it now seems the spreading of "fake news" especially on some social media platforms is acceptable to influence the remaining neutrals and now it's done on both sides. The other side is likely to just block anyway so we have the "echo chamber" effect as both sides block each other.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > From today, people who have lived in the UK > > working and paying taxes, some for decades, > some > > having married UK citizens and having UK > children, > > are losing their right to stay here in their > > homes, with their friends/families... > > That?s not true is it - naughty Red Devil https://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2019/january/extended-uk-settlement-pilot-scheme-begins-on-monday/ "From Monday, all UK resident EU citizens with a valid EU passport will be able to apply, provided that they have access to an Android device on which they can install a Home Office app through which they can confirm their identity. " You are of course completely b&llox%d if you have an Apple Device it seems.

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do bear with Tradespeople - a lot of their time is > currently spent listening to the Brexit debate on > Fivelive or LBC and then having to phone in or > text their views. Cabbies are under even more > pressure. They have to support Darren Grimes too, as he's under a bit of stress.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Isn't a cinema for seeing films? A drink too > maybe. Why would you want to eat there too > especially in this area? What's next, expect > to do the weekly shop at the cinema? The Bike shop (on Rye Lane) does coffees (which is nice) :) it's the way of our brave new world.