Louisa

SJ but I was just using that point to illustrate it's not as clear cut as you might first think. Someone who works in Canary Wharf in an office on 16k who decides they want to spend 5-20 quid on a burger is clearly deranged anyway, but if they choose to do so that's upto them, however, if they are then mirroring the fancy burger eating middle-class snobbery to get equal pleasure from jumping on a lambretta and driving it around ED on the pavements does that make them a "chav"? that's my point. Louisa.

No ultraburner I did not and I wish I had done now because I would have shouted at them. I'm just not sure why people have to brand them "chavs" regardless of who or what background they came from,driving on the pavement is illegal. I do not understand why people are immediately branded class offensive words on this forum based on the behaviour they have shown in a public place. They are scum regardless of their background, branding them "chavs" is just a horribly cringy thing to do. Louisa.

SJ the plumber is clearly the better off one in this instance, but he/she may well send their children to a government funded school despite the wealth and be strict with their kids on being spoilt. Is he still middle class or working class? The 16k office worker may struggle to pay rent but still enjoy a 9/17 quid burger from a street food van on north cross market, are they still working class? There are of course boundaries, but my point is one of my mentioned people who would classically fall into the "chav" category would clearly be neither of the above, and yet they would immediately be accused of illegally riding bikes on the pavement. Louisa.

EDLove, I don't presume that at all. But it seems a less likely proposition than a middle-class teen getting mummy or daddy to buy them one. And yet, no-one makes the presumption it was someone of a privileged background despite the odds being in favour of that? Bizarre. Would you describe a private school educated child/yummy mummy/city gent/ hipster on a bike as being a "chav"? Louisa.

I would estimate around 3/4 times a week in Camberwell/Denmark Hill, as with Nigello 1/2 times a week in Peckham/ED increasing to a staggering 5/6 times a week if I venture further into town which is rare these days, but when I did it was constant. Suffice to say, I didn't happen to me once in the Grove Park area of Bromley. Louisa.

Taken from this website http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NationalStereoTypes/WesternEurope A description of the British, more especially the English, national stereotype. "Britons have a reputation for being polite, proper, sophisticated, decent, clean, stately, reticent, dignified, and for having a talent for standing patiently in queues, as well as a genuine sense of fair-play. The negative end of this stereotype portrays them as being stiff, stuck up, snobbish, prudent, easily embarrassed, pompous, unemotional, bombastic, imperialistic, self-important, phlegmatic and obsessed with class and social status. Partly true, in the sense that they may not be as instantly outgoing or comfortable with expressing emotion as some other nationalities." Louisa.

Otta brilliant point you make. Working-class kids would not be able to afford such bikes in the first place, and yet it is assumed by many on here that they had to be working class or "chavs" simply because of the sort of anti social behaviour they were taking part in. Why would it be inconceivable to suggest that some middle-class white boys who attend a private school were not riding recklessly around the streets on bikes. And if they were, would that behaviour still be described as "chav" - I don't think it would. It's classic class discrimination that's what it is. Louisa.

I've come across selfish cyclists on the pavement, one chap, with a Camera attached to his helmet mind, forced a woman with a young toddler out onto the road because he refused to get off and move in a little and wait. Shocking behaviour. My street etiquette is spot on when it comes to moving out the way for disabled, disadvantaged or much older folk. Louisa.

Good thinking vgrant. Or I could buy some Nescaf? from Iceland, I'm usually half drunk anyway so I probably won't notice the difference. Louisa.

Crap website. Hope the coffee tastes better. No price list. I'm not paying more than ?1.50 for a coffee, even if the beans have been nurtured by doting angels in the amazon rainforest. Louisa.

Jeremy but those connotations surrounding the stereotypical chav are all linked in with class prejudice. Someone could come from a perfectly respectable middle class family and lie cheat and steal and they would not be branded a chav. It seems to be a dated and lazy description to put down someone based on social class and nothing more. I also hear kids referring to something as being 'gay' to describe something they dislike or find beneath them. Again, equally as offensive to a gay person, even though it may not be aimed at gay people as a group or used in that context. Louisa.

3/10 to be fair it's fairly topical. Louisa.

Been told they have a place in Peckham, heard brilliant reviews of their coffee from people who've been to the one in Canary Wharf. Can anyone tell me where they are in Peckham? I really want to try. Louisa.

Absolutely Otta. Riding on the pavement is indefensible on every level. But the tone of this root persons second and third post in particular is pushing unnecessary boundaries with racial and social stereotypes. Interestingly, I was the questioned. Bizarre sometimes this forum is. Louisa.

And your two posts are relevant to this thread in what way? Louisa.

No I won't "push off" because it is relevant, and who are you anyway? The forum 'relevance police'? and on the point of being objective, other than slate my contribution what have you actually added to this thread? Sweet F.A that's what. So take your own advice. Louisa.

Here we go the blow in onslaught of anything working class yadda yadda. I bet if they were hipster/yummy mummy/city gent types on a lambretta doing this not an eyebrow would be raised. Louisa.

Are the batteries still inside it or did they fall out? Louisa.

Janet street porter I've had once before. Louisa.

Pratts Bottom. Louisa.

The pretentiousness has spread from ED to HOP. God help them. Louisa.

God I miss banter with SJ so much :( Louisa.

Tootsmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why are you using this forum to highlight your a > nut job Nothing worth saying? Does that include the above comment? ;-) Louisa

adonirum, sounds very familiar to an experience I have had on numerous occasions now. Not that it's overly important, but what type of pram was said gentleman in possession of? Louisa.

To quote another thread: Barking Dog - Fenwich Rd Tootsmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All noted - now go away And it's a fruit and nut job FYI. Now take your own advice. :-) Louisa.