Louisa

That's absolutely disgusting. Thanks for providing this information for us. I've NEVER felt comfortable buying meat in that supermarket, or indeed fish. Seems awful to think, that they could continue to sell produce that has been outside of a fridge for an unknown period, and not remove it from sale. I do hope your husband didn't buy this meat, and I would suggest if he did he does not eat it and that you retain the receipt and contact the Co-Op customer care line asap, informing then of this situation. Louisa.

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > red devil Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > One has just resigned (Nick Timothy)... > > > It was clearly not sensible or productive for May > to operate such an isolationist management style; > sitting in her bunker with Hill and Timothy. But > Timothy is, ideologically, from the 'moderate' > wing of the party. I do hope we're not now going > to see the rise of the Tory extremists How much more extreme can they possibly get? The hard right is already forcing May to push through a hard Brexit at all costs. That's one reason they've just been punished at the ballot box. If they've learnt anything from this, it's surely that they need the moderate centre to take the discussion back towards a soft Brexit and remaining in the single market. Louisa.

There's also the argument that Corbyn doesn't really want the top job. Who would? He doesn't want to be dealing with Brexit talks when the majority of his party want us to remain. He's also ultimately a protest movement, he will relish the opportunity to be strengthened in opposition, watching a Tory minority government on the ropes. There will be a leadership battle before the years end, and a much softer approach to Brexit. Followed by, a medium term election forced through by a vote of no confidence in the Government. Louisa.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > If no second election is called, which would be > > for the good of the country in these Brexit > > negotiations to try and sort out a working > stable > > majority government, the only other option > would > > be for the Tories to have a brutal and bloodied > > leadership election, and try to build some sort > of > > 'electable' situation to take to the people in > > five years time. Seems highly unlikely. Country > is > > in chaos. Again. > > > > Louisa. > > > But they need 66% of MP's to agree to an early > election. Can you really see that many non-Tory > MP's giving up the chance to kick the Tories? I > can't. > > Unless they can be persuaded 'for the good of the > country', but then will the Tories want to take > the chance? The Tories will have to take the chance. They've spent 20 years trying to detoxify the brand, and now they're forced to cosy up with some pretty traditional, some would say extreme social views from the DUP, to get a workable majority. The left of the Tory party is already feeling uncomfortable. Can she get 66% of all MP's to agree another election? Probably not - for now. But with internal wrangling and some quite public in-fighting in the medium term, her position will become untenable and Labour will hold the cards, and could possibly think let's just go for it and accept the challenge of a second election, which potentially could see them winning a decent majority. Louisa.

This thread has simply become rather ridiculous. Considerate youngsters can ride bikes on pavements, nothing to see here folks. Louisa.

If no second election is called, which would be for the good of the country in these Brexit negotiations to try and sort out a working stable majority government, the only other option would be for the Tories to have a brutal and bloodied leadership election, and try to build some sort of 'electable' situation to take to the people in five years time. Seems highly unlikely. Country is in chaos. Again. Louisa.

Mayhem. Literally. Tory arrogance at calling election for some personal coronation backfires. Realignment of electorate on Brexit voting grounds, compounded by a decent Labour campaign. It seems Scotland has ironically saved May from immediate resignation, snap election within months. DUP To back her in meantime. 1974 all over again, election by October. Single market back on table. Louisa.

A wink after an insult will get you everywhere teddyboy23, game on! ;-) Louisa.

I have to agree borky. Some absolute fruit cakes knocking about on this forum recently. With the exception of some informed and diplomatic voices from some of the EDF stalwarts, threads like these are taken completely off topic and into the extremes of rational thinking. I miss the good old days of polite, cordial debates, that were never personal, and resulted in good will despite defined differences between intelligent minds. It's good to know some of us remain dignified in our responses. Bring back 2007. Louisa.

Foxy, in my experience, rats tend to enter properties either via overgrown gardens where they can easily find sanctuary, or more worryingly a burst or damaged sewage pipe which allows them access under the floorboards or through the toilet. You must ensure all access points are covered with wire netting and stapled, and if possible look for access points and use wire wall to fill them with some sort of easy drying concrete mix over that. As for the escapee currently squatting, I would recommend a pest controller comes out to humanely trap the stowaway. Louisa.

I think people are being a little harsh towards edhistory here. He is just clarifying what the law states. No more no less. Of course common sense should prevail amongst those who enforce the laws, and I don't believe at any point he has suggested otherwise. Lots of elderly and disabled people use the pathways, and it's important that they feel comfortable doing so without fear of being knocked over. No one is suggesting prosecuting children for goodness sakes. Louisa.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------ > As for this GE, not sure what it equates to in > seats, but I think the Tories will win by about > 12%, perhaps as high as 15%. Get ready to batten > down the hatches... Some of the final polls suggest similar. Though they're still all over the place. In terms of seats, you're probably looking at a 70 plus majority, which would not be enough to stop the Tory vultures circling May, unless it's in excess of 100 seats. Still possible, if those numbers materialise. Louisa.

Very interesting read titch. The polling companies can only do so much to reflect opinion, and if people decide to lie for whatever reason, or not turn up, you can't really do anything about it. Here in London we are really a million miles away from the thoughts and feelings of the nation at wide, and if anything is to be taken from the northern marginals, its the collapse of UKIP and the direct transfer across to the Tories in Brexit working class heartlands. If Labour is struggling in those places at this stage, it's going to be a bloodbath. Louisa.

jaywalker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The pollsters (not the bookmakers) know pretty > much exactly what is going on (plus or minus 2%). > The problem is that there are two questions, one > of which is relatively knowable despite changing > over the campaign (in this election dramatically > and unusually) - for whom would you vote? The > other is highly volatile and unpredictable - will > you turn out to vote? The YouGov focus group is > 50,000 people - it has an extraordinary degree of > accuracy on the first question. It shows a very > considerable narrowing of the polls. Yet, this > will still leave May with a landslide if young > people do not turn out to vote. > > It is going to be raining all day tomorrow. I agree with you on the point about turnout. Younger people will not turn out in significant enough numbers to change the course of this election result. Most of the people placing bets know this, pollsters know this too but can't predict by what degree this will hit turnout in specific seats. Politically active youngsters will enthusiastically get out and vote, but the silent majority of less involved younger people will simply stay at home. With the grey vote, it's certain that both politically active and non-active voters will turn out in similarly high numbers. Louisa.

If there's any positives for Labour, it's that the bookies are offering much shorter odds on them retaining more seats than was the case a month ago, and if you believe all this stuff you'll also notice Labour are highly likely to increase their share of the vote following the last election. Individual constituency bets are where things start to go wrong for Labour, marginals like Halifax and Exeter are looking considerably favourable for the Tories, which would go along with the wider picture, a swing from left to right enough to give May her majority. Louisa.

The bookies have got it right more times than the pollsters have, AND YET people on here are using the narrowing of the polls (despite 2015) to talk up some dramatic outcome. It won't happen. UK bookmakers have not always got it right, but when it comes to GE results, they've not missed out on the majority party since 74. Ignore them by all means, but they're considerably more reliable indicators than any other. Nothing is of course full proof. Louisa.

Borky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Your conflation over 3 posts confirms you do not > understand. I do understand, you do not. Have I made myself clear yet? Louisa.

Borky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Obviously you do not. Obviously I do, people who place bets are prepared to put their money where their mouth is, it's not about a bunch of pollsters making predictions from tiny samples with great margins of error. Louisa.

Majority of bookmakers have predicted the largest party in EVERY election since 1974, so yes. I do. Louisa.

Right let's get some outcome predictions in. Being long in the tooth, seen all this before, I'm going for a Tory majority of somewhere between 40 and 60, despite all the usual bluster and talk of some massive Labour revival. Youngsters won't turn out in large enough numbers, the blue rinse brigade will turn out and revert to form, forgetting about the 'dementia tax' stuff. Anyone who wants to find out what's really going on, take a look at any of the major betting sites. Louisa.

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It's probably the most patronisingly worst bit > > trait of the ever so politically motivated > urban > > elite, the way they feel obliged to make > political > > statements by sticking party political sneers > on > > menu boards outside pubs, or slogans/party > posters > > in the windows of businesses. You should remain > > politically neutral, and people of my > generation > > and before rarely discussed who we voted for, > you > > just didn't do it. Walking down wealthy London > > high streets seeing all this guff is offensive > and > > stinks of desperation. > > > > Louisa. > > Absolutely wrong. > > It shows that people have become more politicised > and want to express their views and try and > influence others. It shows that people actually > care enough about the future to make an effort. And yet, when the people outside of London voted the way they did in the Brexit referendum, expressing a real political voice, the people of London and other wealthy urban centres ridiculed them and wanted democracy to be re-written because they didn't get the result they wanted. It seems to be perfectly acceptable to have a voice and express it in public, on social media, in the windows of pubs and other businesses, as long as it's biased towards some right on trendy urban audience. Making an effort, means walking out your front door on polling day and actually voting, rather than chanting political slogans in pubs or putting biased political phrases on boards outside of pubs. Louisa.

It's probably the most patronisingly worst bit trait of the ever so politically motivated urban elite, the way they feel obliged to make political statements by sticking party political sneers on menu boards outside pubs, or slogans/party posters in the windows of businesses. You should remain politically neutral, and people of my generation and before rarely discussed who we voted for, you just didn't do it. Walking down wealthy London high streets seeing all this guff is offensive and stinks of desperation. Louisa.

It's good to know Boris Johnson knows what a food bank is. Apparently being mayor of London gave him special insight into the matter. The BBC interview last night was utterly contemptible, bizarre goading of the Labour (?) politician, awkward silences and some sort of attempt at a face off whilst the BBC man seemed lost in how to respond. If politics has come to this low level bargain basement stuff, I'm happy to not vote in this election. Louisa.

Neil Kinnock did a very interesting interview on the night of the last election, in which he concedes that the problem tends to be, the left are more loud and visible, and a strong undercurrent of people who want to vote Labour, walk into the ballot box grit their teeth and the cross next to the Tories. It's been that way for years. A lot of people, like to exhibit a social conscience publicly, but then think of their own personal circumstances on the inside and just go and vote Tory anyway. It's caught pollsters out way too often in the recent past. Kinnock should know better than anyone. Louisa.

I thought it was just me. I've also had conversations with cats and dogs in the street, and I am absolutely positive they can understand me. They do reckon some people give out positive vibes to pets, and is great to think I have this knack. Of course, I probably sound crazy here, these aren't full blown human conversations, only I and the animal can understand. It's quite primitive, but amazing to think that animals and humans can communicate on a friend level, especially strangers. Louisa.