Louisa

alice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > picking a flower for your mum is a delightful part > of childhood. so you haven't got a garden. what to > do? > > don't exaggerate the situation. > > > if all those who viewed this thread sat on goose > green they would flatten the grass and flowers. > but it aint gonna happen It's this sort of blas? attitude which sums up the attitude of many of today's younger generation. It seems politeness and good will towards the many, holding a door open for someone, not allowing your kids to run a mock in public, apologising out of general good will just because it's the right thing to do when you accidentally get in someone's way, it's all just been forgotten. It seems younger people don't actually acknowledge or care about anything other than themselves and how a situation can benefit them. Decades of rapant, selfish capitalism has gotten us to the point where we are now. Picking flowers which are there for everyone's enjoyment IS NOT OK, what's so difficult to understand about this point? Louisa.

I not for one second disagree with your sentiments above robbin. I do hope, for everyone's sake, that you are of course correct and the present situation does continue and that we see growth in the medium to long term as a result of this decision. Some of the political minds and members of the upper circles, have for decades had vested interests in us remaining part of the EU club. That's surely undeniable? But equally, I believe some people have genuine reasons for enjoying the globalised and perhaps rose tinted view that the EU offers opportunities on our doorstep which far outway anything we could hope for beyond that. Perhaps, in some ways, that could be perceived as quite insular BUT I do genuinely believe those people were more intelligent and informed than that, and had a genuine low for the positives brought to us from membership of the EU... 'if it ain't broke, why fix it?'. I am often perceived as perhaps being deliberately provocative on this forum, but I can assure you that I did freely vote for Brexit without fully understanding all of the bluster thrown at me during the referendum campaign. If I were offered the vote now, despite everything you say about the non-existent impending doom, I would have voted to remain. Not only because of the lies spouted, but also because it seems like an unnecessary upheaval- with the aim of achieving what exactly? Also thinking of the poor people who's lives have been turned upside down because of all the uncertainty. It just seems like a diversion off of the motorway, which leads us onto some A road heading in the same direction. What's the point? Louisa.

Reality of the unknown, voted for by me and others like me, becomes ever clearer. We still have our membership card for a while, but the captain and crew are helping us pack up our little survival kit into our small lifeboat- preparing to sail off into the big wide ocean. I hope when we finally are caste adrift we don't encounter too many storms, because this little boat we are preparing feels kinda knackered, seen better days. Gulp. Louisa.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You don't Jealousy will get you everywhere. Now grab a ticket and join the queue! Louisa.

Saucy! Louisa.

It looks the spitting image of the old Threepenny Bit (thruppence), which for those of you not old enough to remember, was used before decimilisation came in 1971. Maybe Brexit Day and the launch of this new coin have something in common after all. Louisa.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ... it's yet another example of the closing down > of debate! By jove you're right Lou! I know I know rah, but what can I do? The powers that be don't mind silencing a Lone Ranger in a sea of copy cat voices, the struggle continues! Louisa.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is ''the social democratic agenda of the > majority on here'' Lou?... To shut down or belittle anyone who disagrees with them. All justified in the bubble, by likeminded thinkers who support anything and everything someone else with a similar agenda spouts. Rinse and repeat. Going around in ever decreasing circles, meanwhile in the real world ..... Louisa.

Ultimate irony having a conversation about tolerance, on a forum which is intolerant of anyone who doesn't agree with the social democratic agenda of the majority on here. Made me giggle. Louisa.

Crap TV show that will be panned soon. Ratings awful. Gordon should stick to kitchen nightmares, love seeing him shout at terrible restaurant owners. Louisa.

I was so desperate for a drink last summer I popped in Rocca and had a bottle of wine on my walk. Was decent. Nice people they are in there too. I'd sooner give them my business than wait around for a bloody Berni Inn light to open. Louisa.

Jah you were lucky then, she never took a shine to me. Remember her giving me nasty looks, and also me having a row with her husband when he served me a sausage roll from the chilled cabinet near the door, and refused to heat it for me for whatever reason. Mr L's friend was kicked out too for putting the landlord in his place a few times. Horrible bloody people. Crap beer selection too. Louisa.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Francis was lovely. *Swoons* She was awful. A total snob. They were wannabes, Loved being seen jumping out of a sports car right by the outside tables. Louisa.

Although the Clock House was never an authentic boozer. In the 60's it was an off licence and confectioner, and even in the 70s/80s had pretentious landlords who liked parking expensive cars out the front to impress people. Never been a massive fan of the place. The Wood House is a different story, that place has a history. Louisa.

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dulwich Estate is shocking. Allowed Shepherds to > close without a successor, pubs all closed for > years at a time... > > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It's going to be a typical chain middle of the > > road job serving up average food at expensive > > prices, which will trump anything drinker/pub > > related. So we end up with a crap restaurant and > a > > small below average boozer on one side, > probably > > smaller in area and drinks available. > > > > Louisa. > > Does that mean you won't go? I'll still stop by for a drink on a long walk, why not? Presumably they'll keep the beer garden out the front. Louisa.

Two police cars were parked in the bus lane at about 330 this afternoon. Louisa.

It's nice in summer to go for a walk to somewhere you wouldn't usually go very often. The Dog falls into this category from my side of East Dulwich, with a nice garden out the front to enjoy a drink on a long walk. That option has been removed and very much missed the last few summers. Half Moon can fill that gap now. Louisa.

It's going to be a typical chain middle of the road job serving up average food at expensive prices, which will trump anything drinker/pub related. So we end up with a crap restaurant and a small below average boozer on one side, probably smaller in area and drinks available. Louisa.

The pheasants are following the lead of the foxes into the city to escape the trashy humans who enjoy killing them. Little did they realise, that the foxes they followed also have a penchant for a bit of game. Louisa.

I guess it's my fault this whole thread is a million miles off topic now. I don't wish to seek the last word JoeLeg, I just happened to have an opinion on snails which some people ran with for goading purposes. I've never been one to want the last word, I think we can leave it upto the good people of the forum to reach a conclusion on which item is better value for money, without dishing out (no pun intended), various confusing figures about wholesale cost. Anyway let's leave it there. Louisa.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm feel increasingly estranged from most of > England, outside of the Capital. It feels insular > and regressive and ever more illiberal. Maybe time > to move to Berlin. You've obviously never been to Totnes. Louisa.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I presume you mean me? I'm sick to death of > being > > vilified for having an opinion about anything > on > > this forum. I won't say anything from now on. > > Yes. But I don't think I was vilifying you. > Suggesting that a) restaurants call them > "escargot" to achieve a higher price and b) people > wouldn't eat them if they were listed as > "snails"... is antagonistic and a little > confrontational... no? It was not meant as an > insult. Jeremy that's my point! I wasn't trying to be antagonistic, I've made it clear that I love French restaurants - I was a patron at Le Moulin for many many years, and I am excited to try this new place. I don't see the point in snails when other nicer menu items are available which I would argue are better value for money. I have no issue with restaurants using authentic names for menu items, but when they're basic menu items it's clear that authentic names will make them sound more interesting. > > > Someone has already mentioned the ?2 mark for > one snail at > > restaurant price. > > A figure seemingly plucked out of thin air, which > is then being used as the basis for an argument > (sound familiar?). I reckon ?8-?10 pounds for 6 is > typical. I can't possibly say how much snails are per kilo, but yes someone did quote &2 per snail and I have no reason to disbelieve that. ?8/?10 for 6 makes my point for me perfectly! Louisa.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > JoeLeg Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Louisa, I could dismantle your post in detail > > and > > > show how you have no idea why you're talking > > > about, but it'd be like shooting fish in a > > > barrel. > > > > Patronising and unduly condescending. > > > And also accurate. Plus I'm mainly just following > your lead in being condescending towards a local > business that has chosen to use authentic > nomenclature. I have at no point singled out one restaurant as you keep suggesting, it was more a general point about French restaurants and Escargot, following on from a slightly off topic point made by someone else. > > > > > > > But answer me this: > > > > > > 1) What is the wholesale cost of a portion of > > > snails? > > > > Depends whether they're sleeping, prepared, or > > frozen. Also depends on 'type' of snail used. > And > > what you consider to be a portion? Someone has > > already mentioned the ?2 mark for one snail at > > restaurant price. > > > So you don't know the answer. I don't know the wholesale prices but a little google research tells me the wholesale costs isn't even close to the price they're sold at. I also refer you to Jeremy's reply to me. ?8-?10 for 6 snails. That sounds considerably more expensive than Duck Confit (not that an entree is comparable to a main, as you full well know). > > > > > > 2) What is the wholesale cost of a duck leg? > > > > ?4.90 is one price example I found, but again > are > > we talking organic, free range etc are we > buying > > just the one leg or buying in bulk? > > So again, you don't know the answer. I will tell > you that your quote of ?4:90 is way, way in excess > of current costs. Examples? > > > > > > 3) What is the difference between Bonne's GP > on > > > the snails and their GP on the duck confit? > > > > At no point did I bring Bonne's into this > debate, > > you did. > > Well, firstly this whole thread is about Bonne's, > so I'm not quite sure why that surprises you. > You're making the assertion that they shouldn't be > using the term escargot because of the cost issue, > and I'm pointing out that to back up that > assertion you'd have to prove that the snails are > a moneyspinner over and above the confit. > And secondly, you've avoided the question. You > haven't shown that. You plainly don't have any > idea of the costs involved. > > I refer you more generally to Jeremy's response to me, the snails are clearly a money spinner at those quoted average prices. Again of course, this is reference to the general cost of Escargot and nothing to do with Bonne's, a restaurant I am very much looking forward to visiting in the future, where I won't be ordering Escargot, but something else. > > > 4) Why does that not justify calling snails > > > escargot?m > > > > It justifies not calling them escargot because > of > > the price differential. > > Again, prove the price differential. The differential is available via google and other sources, based on other posters it would seem clear that Duck is indeed far better value for money as it is a main course and more filling. > > > > > Your position basically seems to be that a > > place > > > can use authentic, linguistically-correct > terms > > > for dishes so long as they aren't expensive. > > > > That's correct. > > That's some rancid inverse snobbery right there. It isn't any sort of snobbery, it's my personal observation as to why restaurants use certain linguistic terms for basic entrees on the menu. > > > > > Indian menu's show how that isn't a viable > > point, > > > but you use them as an example because you > say > > > they aren't overpriced. > > > > They usually aren't overpriced. Correct. > > So if a restaurant charges what you perceive to be > reasonable prices, only then can they can use > authentic nomenclature? No I didn't say that, I said that would be more acceptable. More time and effort has gone into the dish for a start. Do you think there are no > high-GP dishes in Indian restaurants? You reckon > they all hit bang on 68% GP, say? Do you know what > a 68% GP is? The GP is the mark up I'm presuming? > > > > So you think snails are > > > overpriced, but the duck isn't? > > > > Indeed. > > As I'm sure your teachers said to you, could you > please show your working? I have! One is a starter, one is a main. Make of that what you will. > > > > But then you have > > > to show that the GP on snails exceeds that of > > the > > > duck to support your point. > > > > > > I'm waiting... > > > > I think I just did, didn't I? Read above. > > No. No you haven't. Not even close. I asked you to > show that the GP Bonne enjoy on escargot > significantly exceeds that they they make on duck > confit. You haven't done that. > > I find it hilarious that you think a local place > should be pilloried for using authentic wording > across it's menu when you think it's charging over > the odds for something, yet when challenged you > can provide no evidence whatsoever to back up your > snobbish and outlandish claim other than what > seems to be "because I believe it so". Didn't say any restaurant should be pilloried for charging whatever they wish to charge for an item, but personally I wouldn't buy those items when other more complex and interesting dishes with authentic names are on the menu. Snails are snails, it's as simple as that really. Duck confit is good value for money comparably, for reasons I've given above. If you want to order snails be my guest, but it's not my choice. Louisa.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Although tbf you were > not the main antagonist. I presume you mean me? I'm sick to death of being vilified for having an opinion about anything on this forum. I won't say anything from now on. Louisa.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa, I could dismantle your post in detail and > show how you have no idea why you're talking > about, but it'd be like shooting fish in a > barrel. Patronising and unduly condescending. > But answer me this: > > 1) What is the wholesale cost of a portion of > snails? Depends whether they're sleeping, prepared, or frozen. Also depends on 'type' of snail used. And what you consider to be a portion? Someone has already mentioned the ?2 mark for one snail at restaurant price. > 2) What is the wholesale cost of a duck leg? ?4.90 is one price example I found, but again are we talking organic, free range etc are we buying just the one leg or buying in bulk? > 3) What is the difference between Bonne's GP on > the snails and their GP on the duck confit? At no point did I bring Bonne's into this debate, you did. > 4) Why does that not justify calling snails > escargot?m It justifies not calling them escargot because of the price differential. > Your position basically seems to be that a place > can use authentic, linguistically-correct terms > for dishes so long as they aren't expensive. That's correct. > Indian menu's show how that isn't a viable point, > but you use them as an example because you say > they aren't overpriced. They usually aren't overpriced. Correct. So you think snails are > overpriced, but the duck isn't? Indeed. But then you have > to show that the GP on snails exceeds that of the > duck to support your point. > > I'm waiting... I think I just did, didn't I? Read above. Louisa.