Louisa

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Great idea foxy, but more importantly will you be joining me? Perhaps we could start a double act? HMB I would of course have to be careful with my positioning, as you rightly point out. I'm sure wildlife and caravan can live in perfect harmony- with not one single daf being deliberately murdered on my watch. I could perhaps start my own tarot reading service from my new mobile home? I've always been interested in the cards. Louisa.

Loz I think I've solved the housing crisis. If yuppies are going to force house prices up, why don't we all just invest in a static caravan and park it up on the common land of Peckham Rye and Goose Green? I think I'm onto something here. And Ridgley believe me caravans do. How many yummy mummy types from around here would you see enjoying a weekend away at Bognor? Half of them have probably never even heard of the place! Louisa.

Dave I don't like repeating the mantra, but often times I can't help but bang it home time and again. I've even sacrificed my forum freedom to stand up for my beliefs. A substatial proportion of folk actively dislike me and make no secret of it on here. How many fucks were given? Absolutely none. Let me be frank here, my gripe has morphed into not just an anti-gentrification dig, but a more fundamental look at the evolution of London and indeed whether the city has a future if it continues on its current path. Recent changes have been ridiculous, and unless we talk about them they will continue at pace. If people cannot see the line between my mocking and scoffing of bearded hipsters and yummy mummies, (mostly in jest I hasten to add and please take note admin) and my serious concern at the death of inner London society as we know it, then it surely is more a problem for them than me! Louisa.

Or to stop them breeding with people from Gravesend, imagine what could happen? Louisa.

Everywhere apart from Dartford. Almost a city state, with barbed wire fencing surrounding it. Even Kent isn't interested. Louisa.

Oh absolutely Loz. I too remember visiting Morley's as a child and Brixton was very much a go-to shopping destination, long before any negative media attention. It was on the economic slide then, but strong hints of the past were still very much in place. It's just an ongoing process. Louisa.

As I said earlier, all neighbourhoods go through change. Peckham and Dulwich were poor farming villages for most of their early lives, it wasn't until the coming of the railways that their fortunes changed, then sunk again, and now are once more on the rise. Louisa.

The inner London boundaries changed towards the end of the 19th century, with Peckham and Dulwich being transferred from Surrey to the Metropolitan Borough of Camberwell later becoming part of the County of London in 1889. This probably explains why areas such as Croydon and Bromley retain historical county ties being later (1965) additions to the city proper, whereas areas such as our own have been incorporated into London for well over a century. It's still interesting we retain our Surrey heritage in place names, sporting venues and defunct canals. Also lets not forget Surrey Quays shopping centre. Louisa.

If you go back far enough, many of the East End folk just outside of the city were farm labourers and rural folk from The surrounding countryside of Essex who moved in to help spread the city into the new slums which made up the district (to be joined by Jewish, Irish and Hugeonot immigrants over the decades). It's all come full circle now many of the 'old timer' East Londoners have moved back out to Essex suburbia where no doubt many of their long distant ancestor may have originally came from! Louisa.

Perhaps, but when gentrification is so rapidly spreading across the boroughs of London how else do you prevent the next wave of oligarchs cash buying properties in trendy areas and leaving them dormant whilst families are unable to buy homes in the places they were born? Louisa.

In historical terms, is Peckham/Dulwich still part of the 'Brixton Hundred' (historic Surrey district), or are we no longer historically part of the county either? Seeing as Croydon is a London Borough and yet people still refer to it as Surrey not London etc Louisa.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Indeed, I actually live in the borough now (just). > Rubbish council. > > I've always preferred Croydon for shopping (and > that's saying something). > > Bromley always felt fur coat and no knickers, > whereas Croydon is crotchless panties and proud of > it. Haha that made me laugh. Well neither of them has an Allders now so that's one less reason for me to visit either. As a kid Croydon felt so far away, my mum always called it Surrey. Not been for a while, but yes it does have a decent useable shopping experience, similar to how I hoped Rye Lane would evolve in the 80's, sadly never realised. Louisa.

But the originals have been selling up and moving on from London for generations, the fate of suburban neighbourhoods has historically always been up and down, the wider problem is the shortage of housing available in a city of this size. There is more than enough brown field to make up the shortfall, however it seems that the Victorian properties which are predominantly inner-London are now at a premium because they simply cannot be replaced, and remain limited in availability. Of course we could legislate to prevent people from outside specific postcodes from buying there (unless they've lived,rented etc for x number of years). Perhaps we could promote councils actually buying up housing stock and transforming them into council properties for local people with a link to the area to rent, rather than selling off plots of land to private developers who will build flats for the private buyer/renter only. It's a vicious circle. Our councils have a lot to answer for too. Louisa.

Otta I used to be anti-Bromley when younger too, you will soon change your tune when you get to my age. Most of the debate about cockneys is laughable, because many of the white working classes are now living in the wider borough of Bromley anyway, as increasingly the ethnic diversity in the area around the town centre is significantly more noticeable than around here. It has shops, useable chain shops, rather than pokey little gift shops no bugger uses! Louisa.

In East Dulwich I would say the visible population (especially on weekends) has changed dramatically in the last two decades. I don't think even my opponents would disagree with that observation. Behind the scenes however, I think the population hasn't necessarily changed that dramatically. Maybe a 10/15% change in overall demographics in that time (financially speaking). However, that small change has lead to the promotion of the area by media especially, for the people who can afford the do-me-up Victorian terraces. This in turn has pushed commercial rents through the roof, and consequently incoming businesses have (on the whole) been aimed at this relatively small percentage of incomers. Brixton is probably similar, although being on the tube would put the terraced homes close to the station at a premium so perhaps the increase has been quite dramatic there in comparison (I fear the same fate for Peckham). Louisa.

JoeLeg and jacks09. I do not have all the answers, I am simply pointing out the questions and raising debate. I've been struggling with this issue on this forum for the best part of a decade now, and I have no idea what the solution is. I would encourage the incomers to be more accepting of the existing cultural aspects of a neighbourhood,rather than outright reject them and put their exclusive stamp on it. Look at Brixton and Peckham, under our very noses traditional working class neighbourhoods are being converted into wealthy enclaves, despite the demographic of the populus remaining relatively static. The planning departments should rate the attractiveness of proposed incoming businesses based on who would buy their goods, are they relevant to a majority of people living in that specific postcode? There are a number of things that could actively be achieved, but it seems money talks and the councils of London are quick to promote so called gentrification. Louisa.

Maybe you should re-read my opening post jacks09. I was commenting on others who complain about the blandness of Bromley, when in fact I find this area far more homogenous and dull than Bromley could ever be. Bromley has become more cosmopolitan in the last few decades, ED has gone full pelt in the opposite direction. Selective reading on your part? Louisa.

That sounds the business ed_pete, I'm tempted. I wonder if I could plonk it on someone's drive foxy? Seeing as common land might cause objection. Maybe I could find a 900k one bed garden flat with room out the front to land it on? It does sound tempting having one on GG, I could shout at people as they walk past and as you rightly point out, be in spitting distance of a doner and bottle of pinot. Louisa.

Apparently it's reversed snobbery when someone like me mocks the posh incomers who spend a fortune on coffee and organic carrots etc, but it's ok for them to change an entire neighbourhood and force house prices sky high and we should all shut up and not say boo to a goose. Louisa.

I'm thinking of investing in a static caravan (you know like those ones working class people stay in for holidays in grotesque places like leysdown and yarmouth). I've been searching on rightmove but I can't find any nearby for sale, does anyone have a clue how much they would cost and could I dump one on Peckham Rye? Any thoughts? Thanks. Louisa.

Btw this is not an alter ego of mine this old_bloke person. I would be far more original. If by chance this character would like lessons on how to get the forum back up, I am available for classes in my garden weekday afternoons (you supply the vino of course). Louisa.

Jeremy gives a good description of the exaggerated reality, yes not all outgoing folk were chirpy cockneys cashing in on equity, and neither were all incomers guardian reading vegetarian uni educated metropolitan socialists. But stereotypes exist for good reason, and those perceptions narrowly speaking, have become the reality of what's happened in ED and similar neighbourhoods in this city. My biggest gripe has always been the hidden agenda of the elitist incomers who are on the whole intelligent people, usually more likely to engage in community activities and be able to back up their arguments on social media in a more agreeable way (loving these stereotypes). Louisa.

If only it were the toffs that were the problem! We would then have a common enemy! It seems to me the university educated centre left urban elite are the biggest enemy of the working classes in London. Louisa.

Seabag I am itching to join in the debate in the main section but thanks to Admin with their bigoted anti-working class stance against me for airing my views I'm stuck here. Anyway, breeeeeath. Right. Sydenham is another zone out and yes many of the old inner London characters have been pushed out to those area which remain 'un-gentrified' or however you wish to term it. Give it another decade and Sydenham will be the next neighbourhood swept away in favour of incomer wealthy folk buying up homes and pushing prices through the roof (no pun intended). The only accents I hear along lordship lane nowadays (especially weekends) are stereotypically polished Middle England ones. Everyone else seems to have gone elsewhere. This is why I spend so much of my time in Bromley because it has facilities and has a good variety of people and isn't all crappy gift shops and organic crap no one wants! Louisa.