pipsky2008

It's pear rust

rch Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Because of the way licensing legislation is set > (and I agree that it needs to change, but it's > taking way too long) it's not enough for residents > simply to object - there needs to be statistical > data to support the objections for committee > members to assess. > > In other words, it's not enough for a resident to > say that they have experienced noise and nuisance > over time, you need to log complaints so that a > dossier of evidence can be built up - it's these > statistics that give the committee the grounds to > refuse an application. > > To complain about noise generated from the > premises either phone 020 7525 2000 (or, more > directly, 020 7525 5777) to officially log a > complaint to the noise team and ask for a > reference number. The more people who complain, > the better. > > Premises can't technically be held responsible for > noise outside of their control, so for > disturbances in the street that can be considered > to be disorder (or anti-social behaviour), phone > the police number on 101 and ask for the CAD or a > CHS reference number. > > I can't stress how useful the 101 number is, some > of the operators are amazingly sympathetic, and > complaints/intel are logged on the central police > computer which is then useful for subsequent > response police attendance. > > Everything from police resources to grounds for > refusal is driven by statistics these days. If > there is a log of dozens of complaints over a > period of time that is presented with the > licensing application report, this will give > residents' objections far greater weight. > Furthermore, if 101 get several calls from the > same location, they will send a car around if one > is available, then you will have even more data > presented from a police perspective. > > By all means, liaise with the manager of the > premises, but always log complaints. > > East Dulwich traditionally has the lowest ward CAD > statistics in Southwark, but that's because most > of us are too polite to complain. It is worth noting that when the noise team come to make their assessment from the interior of your home, they have a different reference number, 6 digits, from the one you can get from the person who answers the phone when you ring in on 020 7525 5777, which has 10 digits and begins with 800. You must ask for these numbers, they are not volunteered.

I think it a credit to those that came to the meeting how they put themselves over considering the force of emotion involved and I certainly felt it in the room. I think for many who experience this kind of protracted noise nuisance and consequent anxiety, depression and a dozen other emotional states, it is all too easy to go under and begin to accept that,'oh well, that's just the way things are'. It takes a great resolve and a lot of energy to pursue a matter like this through due process, all the smoke and mirrors of licensing law, at what point a landlord is responsible for the behaviour of the customer and at what point they aren't. Those affected are at least fortunate in that there are a number of you and so don't need to suffer this alone where it would be easy to be dismissed as a crank.

giggirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TGE was at odds to point out on Wednesday that it > wants to serve our community and in the next > breath said that the 2.30am licence was a standard > application it made for all of its premises. I'm > confused. How is a "one size fits all" licence > application serving this community? > > On Wednesday I made the mistake of arranging to > meet a friend at the GE for a drink. It was pub > quiz night. Turns out that not only does the pub > quiz alienate people outside the premises; it's > also a pain for those inside who just want a drink > and a chat. The volume is way excessive. There's > no need - just turn it down a bit. > > James Barber is doing a great job and it's not a > crime to have an opinion. He really can't win; if > he didn't have an opinion he'd be told to get off > the fence. The alchohol industry are playing a very schizophrenic game, on the one hand, they are a hard nosed business that exist to make a profit out of you and on the other a friendly uncle who gives you somewhere to go and something to do in the evening....no wonder residents and the management are confused

A message to me says 'TGE have been clever and asked for all complaints to be made to the pub management, thus avoiding formal recording of such complaints'.

oliviaandmilo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi wondering what is the address of the wimbeldon > bootsale. dont know that area. would love to go > though. google Wimbledon car boot sale

johnnyenglishnew Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > oh i see, if i brung brand new items such as baby > stuff do you think i would get any sales? Certainly, but why not try East Dulwich car boot first as the cost of transport will knock a hole in your profit.

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It means chill out & put up with the > inconvenience! > > If it carries on past midnight, you have reason to > complain, but at 4.45pm? > Enjoy the music & feel happy for them, that they > have a lovely sunny day to enjoy their > celebration. > > Does this happen on a regular basis? I think not. > So why moan about a one-off event? Did you experience it as a resident and from what vantage?

johnnyenglishnew Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > what was the Wimbledon one like? did you go to > sell or buy? I went with a audio dealer. I buy and sell too. I was a bit distracted myself with other matters, but non the less, a good mix of collectables, consumables and general stuff, a good half day out.

maritap Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For petes sake like Vanessa 520 said it doesn't > happen every weekend, celebrations are going on > everywhere in the uk for the Olympics , give them > a break it's not going to go on forever, how dare you raise your voice in that way. My daughter is sick.

It has been a very fickle summer, weather wise. It's a good space. I do hope it takes off, I don't see why it shouldn't. I think the hours are too short, I think that's a problem. I went to the Wimbledon car boot on Saturday and it was heaving but then that is an established do. That's on from 8am to about 3pm.

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pipsky2008 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Anyone else unable to think because of the > volume > > of music at the adventure playground, Peckham > Rye > > Park ? > > > > I have rung the noise team and been told that > as > > this is a planned event the DJ can play his > music > > at what ever level he wishes and that they are > not > > going to do anything about it. I have been told > > that there have been a number of other > > complainants > > > Why are you complaining about this at 4.45 pm? > > It's not exactly late is it? > > Live & let live Live and let live, what does that mean in an unbalenced equation?

Golden Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > With you KidKruger. Aren't you lucky to live so > close to the park pipsky2008. Indeed I do, especially as I am council scum

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Gutted to hear I missed chance of picnicking > within earshot of some Jamaican vibes. Seen. Oh, don't worry, Ill give him a call to turn up outside your house when you are tired and your daughter is ill and needs rest

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I went 3 weeks ago as a Seller. ?10.00 entry. > > Was there 3 Hours and took ?19.20 > > Lady next to me took ?3.00 > > And next table took ?6.00 > > It was a scorching day. Sunshine. > > Just very few Buyers... with any money.. > > Complete waste of time. > > Fox. What is the organiser like at rustling up publicity and such?

I don't believe I mentioned the style of music, this is your assumption. It is entirely about volume. You wouldn't have found it annoying because you went there to be within the event, including the music volume. When pressed, I was told by the environmental enforcement officer I spoke to on the telephone, that there were over 35 complaints from residents who were not forewarned or consulted at all. There is an arrogance about it in my opinion from the event organisers. There is no sound insulation at all at the boundary of the venue and no consideration is made for the local residents. The volume is way in excess of what would be a statutory nuisance ordinarily. Like the DJ today, I also intend to have my voice heard and if anyone else wants to put pen to paper too, Please PM me. Every couple of years! No. The last event that was far too loud from that place was on the 29/4/12 and again on the 22/4/12 then one about 2 weeks ago.

All that I have been told is that if it continues at the same level at 20.00 they, the noise team that is, may come out although I know in advance that they won't find it at a nuisance level. I will be writing letters of complaint to the manager of the playground, Peckham Rye S.N.T, local councillors etc etc and want other signatories from those disturbed. Any takers?

Anyone else unable to think because of the volume of music at the adventure playground, Peckham Rye Park ? I have rung the noise team and been told that as this is a planned event the DJ can play his music at what ever level he wishes and that they are not going to do anything about it. I have been told that there have been a number of other complainants

An issue with noise of people entering or leaving the premises at a late hour when it is reasonable for residents to want to be able to sleep, ie, 23.00 is that a doorperson won't be able to ask people to be quite until the noise has been made by which residents have been disturbed.

DJKillaQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The usual deal with licensing is that any premise > with late licensing is required to have door staff > after 11 pm. Location has nothing to do with it. > It's a standard requirement with most late > licenses. Is it a standard requirement? Do you have a link to Southwark licensing that says that? Do you happen to know anything about T.E.N, temporary event notices by any chance. Thanks

Carrots at Iceland today ?1 per Kg. Carrots at the Co-op today 90p per kg

It must be ghastly, I dread it. My sincere good wishes to you

James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've formally objected. Been meaning to do this > for ages. I know my ward colleagues are planning > to formally object. > Really ill considered application adding extra 3 > hours of opening Thurs, Fri and Sat nights as well > as all bank holidays. Talk of a new courtyard for > drinking presumably until 2.30am but no mention of > a noise report to confirm noise wont disturb > neighbours. > > Once this application is out the way I'd like > nearby residents to confirm or deny that the > outside area being used until 23.30 every night is > a problem or not. If it is I'll ask for a licence > review. Is it a necessary for a licensing applicant to initiate a noise report. Is it a formal part of the process? Thanks

ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What you really want is a cross, between a triffid > and something attractive and expensive, that will > start to get nasty if moved.

I wonder if a tracking bug in the soil of a potted shrub would reap results. Hoping plant thieves aren't reading this thread