Sean I haven't advocated corporal punishment I just asked everyones opinion on it. I like you was only caned very rarely, 4 time in my entire life. I agree with what you say about those that are beaten will become 'beaters' as corporal punishment has been administered throughout my extended family and ancestors. I don't have kids but if I did smacking wouldn't be out of the question but I doubt I'd go so far as to use a cane. My parents never apologised but they didn't have to as when I got 'six of the best' I knew I deserved it. My dad was also in the marines and demanded discipline from us, never cast a shadow over our relationship as father and son.