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Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well that's a very broad view EC, that noone would > disagree with. > > But when you get a European Cup Winning captain > coming out and saying what he has said this week > you know the view is deep seated. And you can't > argue that his comments are sour grapes having won > 9 titles in a row and a european cup - But he > still thinks some referees were out to get Celtic. > > > Celtic Ambassador Billy McNeill believes that the > club has never had a fair deal from referees. > > McNeill captained Celtic through their greatest > ever era under Jock Stein and twice managed the > club. > > Despite unprecedented success, especially in > Europe, there was always a feeling that being the > best in Scotland wasn?t enough- to win trophies > for Celtic you had to be much better than the > opposition. > > Speaking in The Sun today the club?s most > successful captain admits that ?Celtic players > have to rise above it? > > He said: ?In my day, there were referees who made > mistakes but there were others who didn?t give > Celtic a fair crack and who found it very > difficult to be perfectly fair and honest about > what they did. Is that the same today? > > ?Referees out to get Celtic is nothing new. It?s > been happening for years. Ever since the days I > was a manager and during my career I always felt > there were referees who targeted Celtic when they > took charge of our games. > > ?They operated with attitudes that were > anti-Celtic. I genuinely believe that. > ?Well, this week?s events don?t do much to pour > cold water on the theory but no matter referee?s > decisions Celtic?s players have to rise above it > all. > > ?They have to be good enough to win without any > help from the officials. > > ?That might sound harsh ? but after what happened > with Dougie McDonald at Tannadice, for me it?s > fair comment. > > ?Refs have a tough job, no question, the higher > they go, the harder it becomes but sometimes it?s > just in their nature to produce performances that > makes them a target for the fans. > > ?To hear guys like McDonald openly admit things > like this is incredible. They should concentrate > on being as efficient as they possibly can ? > without telling the world about their mistakes. > > I know what it looks like to other football fans, > but I'm interested that Celtic have made the move > to take this to the level that they have done. I > find that quite surprising. celtic are starting to make themselves look stupid. all this paranoia going back decades, please give us all peace. funnily enough you were very quiet when MON was doing well and Strachan. for every "wrong" you've had, there will be a decision that has gone for you. That's football. when decisions go your way it's all tickety boo, but as soon as you start playing poorly and get the odd decision against you we get all this pish in the papers. celtic fans needs to get a grip and get over it. there is no agenda, there has been no agenda. Billy McBungle is just a washed up, idiot. He'd be lucky to know the day of the week. The whole of the celtic family, from Desmond Liewell and co, down to the filthy republican reptiles that fester away in the Parkhead support are the ones with an agenda... and that is to intimidate the officials out there into never giving a hard decision against them again.

Back to earth with a bump in the CL. Mata and Joaquin tore us a new one. Could have been a different story if the two Naismith efforts that rattled the post had been a couple of inches the other way. Oh well, back to the bread and butter of the SPL with our paper thin squad. Onto St Mirren at the weekend.

background is still speled not rite.

Dundee deducted 25 points. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee/9146206.stm Seems a bit steep? Why 25?

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think you are missing the point. > > The point is not whether it was a correct decision > - its that the Referee and Linesman agreed to lie > to the referee supervisor and the Celtic manager > after the match and have been reprimanded. > I got that point MM - that's not what I am referring to. You said, and I'll quote again: "No we know the truth on this one and its just another cover up of an incorrect decision against Celtic" It wasn't an incorrect decision.... but like your green and white pals up north, you'll try to keep bleating on as if it was an incorrect decision until history is re-written and it doesn't get questioned anymore. With regards to diving... I agree, it is poor and players should be fined/banned on evidence that shows they did dive. A helluva lot of players from all teams would be hit hard. But for this, the rules have to change. At the moment diving carries a yellow card punishment if seen, but can get a two-match ban if not seen and reviewed by video evidence (in Scotland anyway - is it the same in England?). I think diving needs to have a more severe punishment if spotted by the ref in a game.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SCSB79 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > The way it's been explained as the > > ref/lino/SFA have now said, is where the > problem > > lies. > > It was a referee and linesman agreeing to lie to a > Manager about their decision. That is what it was. > > MM - you said "No we know the truth on this one and its just > another cover up of an incorrect decision against > Celtic " You are wrong. The decision was correct, it was not a penalty... can you accept that yet?? Re Broadfoot - you are only picking up on media outlets that agree it's not a penalty. Others have said it was soft, but still a foul. p.s Did you see Stokes pathetic dive on Saturday? That was a joke... at least there was a wee bit of contact with Kirk!! It's funny how Celtic fans don't moan when it goes in their favour.. do you remember Nakamura against St Mirren 2 or 3 seasons ago? Dives to win a last minute free kick and got up to score the winner. The Aberdeen goal chalked off for "handball" at Parkhead that meant you won, when it should have been a draw, essentially handing you the title... the ref even said afterward he just thought the player handled it and that he didn't see actually see a handball. How about when McDonald was fouled outside of the box against Rangers and was incorrectly awarded a penalty... We didn't see you lot greeting and running to the SFA about refs then??? oh, and with all this talk of diving/penalties etc and Lemon writing to the SFA... I'll dig out the video of HIM diving to gain a penalty for Celtic later on!!!!

> Sorry SCSB - you need to accept when you are wrong > - it was not the linesman changing the decision - > No we know the truth on this one and its just > another cover up of an incorrect decision against > Celtic - then proof of lying to Celtic's > management etc. > > Hats off to the linesman who has been big enough > to be open and honest - something a little bit > short in the scottish game at the moment. > Ok - hands up that the main reason was wrong, but he did get threats. And the only cover up was the explanation to TLB and Celtic. IT WAS NOT AN INCORRECT DECISION... but hey, Celtic & Facts = Oil & water. The decision was 100% bang on. The way it's been explained as the ref/lino/SFA have now said, is where the problem lies.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Martin o neill to take charge of saudi team Al > hilal. Crikey - thought he'd hang on until Hodgson got sacked, and take over at L'Pool.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It happens on both sides. Both Celtic and Rangers > have bigoted elements to their support. I don't > think that is any secret. > > Obviously the police will track these people down > and convict them, if at all possible. > > Hugh Dallas once had his windows broken after > refereeing an Old Firm game and he said he knew > who had done it. It was his neighbour who was a > Celtic fan and he was round the next day to fix > his windows and apologise. No charges were > pressed. Its depressing that these things happen > but thats how heated things can become on Old Firm > days in a city split by religion. I know Rangers fans aren't angels... but all this threatening refs does seem to come down a one-way street... As you quite rightly mention MM - Hugh Dallas was a victim. There has also been George McBride, Jim McCluskey and the Private Detective, Dougie McDonald and now these two most recent cases. The SFA have to act... Lennon, in a position of responsibility, should not be making public remarks about referees in the lead up to the game. He's also just written to the SFA to complain about Sunday. Who the hell does he think he is????

Referee from Sunday's Celtic/Rangers game receiving death threats now, after the linesman who (rightly) told the ref to over turn a penalty decision for Celtic resigns because of threats following the game... TGFITW my arse.

Traffic accident of some sort. Closed off near heber and police station. Traffic is a mess. No buses going anywhere.

Referee was terrible in my opinion.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Another big penalty call goes rangers way. You > will not see a softer one than that. Shame because > the referee was doing well - but you need to get > the big calls right above all else. Soft, but you would have been screaming for it if it was at the other end. Stokes should have walked for the assault on Papac in the first minute. Samaras cheeky wee knee in the back of McGregors head, Ki's assault on Naismith all missed by the ref... from our point of view, maybe McCulloch was lucky to stay on. Thought the referee was very inconsistent, but at the end of the day Rangers were the better team. Not surprising to see TLB already moaning about the ref. Celtic FC never defeated always cheated.

Hope you enjoyed the game. :)-D

binary_star Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok, these stats are from a 2005 report for the > London Road Safety Unit (TfL) which recorded red > light violations at twelve ASL sites in London and > two non ASL sites (the 'control' sites). Of all > the cyclists that passed through the > light-controlled junctions, on average 17% > violated red lights. There is no comparable figure > (or I can't find it) for other traffic - I just > wanted to point out that it's not as many as > people think! > > However, of *all* the traffic violations that were > made by *all* road users, cyclists made up 51% of > offenders at the ASL sites and 40% at the control > sites - averaging out at 48.8% of all the vehicles > violating red lights at all sites. OTHER road > users (either car, goods vehicle, bus/coach > drivers or motorcyclists) made up the rest - yes > OVER HALF of offenders. > > This is bundling all 'other road users' together, > but even if we just take cycles vs cars, cars made > up the majority violaters at 5 of the 12 sites > (admittedly not as much as cyclists who were the > majority at the other 7). Versus *all* road users, > cyclists made up the majority of offenders at only > half of the sites. > > Also the authors pointed out: > > "Across the ASL sites generally, the main > violation offenders were cars, (including taxis) > (34%) and bicycles (51%). Cyclists essentially > have more opportunity to violate as more can > proceed through the junction at any one time. The > high percentage of red light violations by > cyclists may partially be a result of the > composition of traffic. " > > Tried to attach report but the file is too large, > can be downloaded here: > http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&v > ed=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tfl.gov.uk%2Fass > ets%2Fdownloads%2FBehaviour-at-cycle-advanced-stop > -lines.pdf&rct=j&q=Behaviour-at-cycle-advanced-sto > p-lines%5B1%5D.pdf&ei=DiK2TPjxK4-T4gba8MSgDQ&usg=A > FQjCNFxOMp5KgsCxThLtG4sVfRdmnxjjA&sig2=XtLuc0WJ6fO > H8rX9bhZs1w&cad=rja But we all know that the cyclists caught jumping the red light in these instances will more than likely jump EVERY red light and the motorists will not. I'd wager my house that if you followed a cyclist around that had jumped one light, they'd jump almost every other one but if you followed a car, they'd not jump another.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SCSB79 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Absolutely gutted. We should have been out of > > sight against Valencia. > > Played very well, missed a barrow load of > "easy" > > chances. > > A point before the game, yes please. > > A point after the game, deflated. > > > Deflated - Blow it up again before Sunday, you'll > be fine. Quietly confident for Sunday MM.

minkturtle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's ok to cycle through red lights and the wrong > way down one-ways Quite simply, no it's not.

Absolutely gutted. We should have been out of sight against Valencia. Played very well, missed a barrow load of "easy" chances. A point before the game, yes please. A point after the game, deflated.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SCSB79 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Mick Mac Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > gordon strachan resigns. > > > > > > I knew poor gordon had lost it when he signed > > kris > > > boyd. :-) > > > > Or McManus, MacDonald, Flood or Robson > > >:D > > Nope - it was Boyd that did it. That proved he was > mad. > > Anyway - first old firm game this weekend !! > Celtic going for two in a row are we not. League > decider number 1. > > Where is PGC? I am sure you mean two old firm wins in a row and not league titles as we both now who has recently won 2 in a row in that sense??!! But yes, you are as you won the last (meaningless) one last season. This one is very tough to call, I think we'll be the happier team with a point, so I'll take that now. We win and it will be the beginning of TLB's, sorry, Neil Lennon's implosion. PGC - do you have a family type car with Millwall FC and Rangers FC cushions in it?

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > gordon strachan resigns. > > I knew poor gordon had lost it when he signed kris > boyd. :-) Or McManus, MacDonald, Flood or Robson >:D<

Terry Thomas esq Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I say > > How interesting, I raised a valid point and other > posters took it off topic and acted like trolls by > passing comment on other forum members > > Where is the admin when you need one to bring > people to order > > Dashed bad form I say Why do you need admin? Poor wee fake character had their feelings hurt?

binary_star Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ratty Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Like cyclists follow the rules of the road > anyway! > > Cyclists follow the rules of the road as much as > any other type of road user. What an unnecessarily > confrontational response. I disagree and I am a cyclist. I think I am one of very few who follow the rules of the road - well almost ;-) The amount of cyclists running red lights, cycling on the footpaths, wrong way up one way streets etc is quite ridiculous.

Moos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SCSB79 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Some people need to get out more. > > My absolute favourite type of forum arsepost, the > 'you lot need to get a life' post. Who needs to > get out more, the original poster or the person > who posts to say you need to get out more? Most definitely the person who sat down before typing the inane post and who actually spent time thinking about how to word the post to try and sound slightly witty/intelligent... they would have been better venturing into the real world to gain some invaluable social skills.

Some people need to get out more.

Chick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tarot, > > What kind of Indians? Muslim perhaps? Could your > bigotry influence you to make racially > inflammatory postings of robberies you haven?t > witnessed? This post is bang out of order.