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Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So, the vaccination doesn?t stop you getting COVId > just makes you more resilient and doesn?t stop you > carrying it or passing it on. If someone?s already > had the virus and recovered then their natural > immune system should be enough to fight any > further infection? Nope... You are much less likely to contract the virus (and therefore pass it on) with either vaccine. But if you do still catch it, like you say, you are more resilient to it and the chances of hospitalisation are dramatically reduced. You still need a vaccine even if you've had Covid. It is currently thought that the immune response after recovering from Covid is in the region of 8 months.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What age group is being vaccinated in area at the > moment? Are any under 65's without health issues > bing seen and if so, where? Tessa Jowell centre have been vaccinating the over 50s (no health conditions) for a couple of weeks now.

I imagine a lot of the fast-cash yuppies of the 80s (i.e. former bankers/traders who are now mainly retired) would be living in large houses in Essex/Kent/Herts.. polishing their BMW on the driveway, and fit the Telegraph-reading, Brexit-voting clich? fairly neatly. Most young professionals of today are used to working in a more globalised, cosmopolitan, politically correct environment and possibly have a rather different outlook (and less money). Whether they're drinking IPA in Nunhead cemetery is another matter, of course.

I think that was a bit harsh, Freddo. And it's kind of a straw-man argument... just because you disagree with some people's conduct, it doesn't mean staff should not be pulled up for not wearing masks. Going out to buy some fresh bread, for instance, is still OK. Unless we are suggesting that only supermarkets should be open. Although I suppose I do agree that less people should be milling around drinking takeaway coffees, etc, just for a form of entertainment.

Yes there was a huge extra push for flu jabs this winter, to try to reduce hospitalizations. Lockdowns, social distancing, masks, hygiene awareness have all helped too, I'm sure.

Ronnijade Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why are people using this thread to spew anti-vax > propaganda? Should all be banned from this thread imo. Agreed - I think it's disgraceful. If you have concerns about medicines then fine, but keep them to yourself (or at least stick to the facts) rather than irresponsibly spreading misinformation. The sad fact is, people will DIE as a result of reading this nonsense and unfortunately believing it. I only hope that the readers of this forum can see through this dangerous and selfish behavior, and apply some common sense. A few people I know have reported side effects (particularly AZ) but that is not uncommon for vaccines, is it? It is good to be prepared for such things. But there is no conspiracy here. "Pro-vaccine" isn't really even a thing. We should refer anti-vaccine as "pro-death". alice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > if they are doctors...honestly....just weird. Not all medical doctors are geniuses. I personally know one or two with the common sense of a mushroom. They studied hard and got the grades.

That Flying Pig/Aneto/Brougham site is a bit odd, as it's so bloody big. It's hard to imagine any bar or restaurant of that size in this area being full. It is a good location, though. Maybe separating it out into a bar and restaurant might work?

But arranging to meet others is currently not allowed. And it is happening (I know because I am in the WhatsApp groups). This leaves me in a bit of a dilemma. I don't want to lose friends (or more to the point, lose my kids friends) by lecturing to them... but also, I don't think it's the right thing to do. All I can do is say "sorry, we're being careful right now, hopefully see you in the Spring". Anonymously moaning on the internet is cowardly and lame, I know... yet here I am...

Brick house was pretty expensive, but it was sooo good. The coffee, pastries, bread... everything was so good. A fresh, warm morning bun or bostock in the morning with a coffee was genuinely something to look forward to. Even jam on toast was a treat. The interior didn't necessarily work that well but I liked the fact that you were sitting in a proper working bakery. Gails is OK.. certainly a lot better than Nero/Costa, but it's nothing special really. I can't see myself being sufficiently militant to boycott due to business ethics, but it's not good enough to tempt me unless I happen to be passing by.

I'm afraid I agree with Nigello (apart from the doctors/nurses bit.. I've not seen that). Some people are trying their best. Others bends the rules. A small number just don't seem to care at all.

Cyclops Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I find myself always moving out of the path of > oncoming joggers, with rarely any acknowledgment > on their part. Well if nobody else appreciates that, *I* do! And to be fair, as I mentioned a few posts back, on Saturday evening, I did notice that pedestrians seemed generally more considerate than my "fellow" joggers.

All very fair points, NewWave.

alex_b Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Excess deaths have closely tracked recorded COVID > deaths in waves 2 and 3 (and were well ahead of > the recorded COVID deaths in wave 1 due to lack of > testing). It?s simply not credible that there?s a > wave of ?with but not of? COVID deaths occurring. Exactly. The figures correlate. If there is an element of "with but not of", it is clearly not statistically significant.

Kruger is right. The figures add up. Nobody is saying they're 100% reliable, but they're certainly close.

Weren't those 22 in the UK all in the same care home in Basingstoke? Bearing that in mind, what is more likely? a) There was a Covid outbreak in the care home, and they tragically received their vaccines too late to save them b) The vaccine killed 22 people in a single care home. And nobody else in the country. I mean... this kind of thinking is just idiotic. Someone said above that calling someone an idiot is not cool. Maybe so. But when someone is spreading this kind of dangerous "information", then why mince words? People like this criticize the rest of us for believing "what we're fed by the mainstream media". When their own sources do not stand up to even superficial scrutiny. The fact that they believe they're smarter than the rest of us would be hilariously ironic.. if it wasn't so dangerous. I am afraid we're currently fighting two pandemics - the other being stupidity.

RoundTable Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know of people who grumble of kids in playground > but who they themselves took advantage of low > flight prices to travel abroad. So go figure. Nobody likes a hypocrite, but that doesn't change my point.

uplandrd2020 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > https://thelightpaper.co.uk/assets/pdf/The-Light-Issue-6.pdf LOL. "Truthpaper". Top quality research right there.

Yes the parks are very crowded at the moment. I've also seen a few groups gathering. Nunhead cemetary is complete inappropriate for joggers at the moment, the paths are too narrow - and you pretty much have to stick to them.

siousxiesue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Depressingly enough, his main source of alterative Yes... often the case..

> believe what they are fed on the TV without doing some checks for themselves This is, unfortunately, the standard line repeated by conspiracy theorists and assorted sceptics these days. "Check for yourself". "Do some research". "The mainstream media is lying to you". This belief that you have a higher level of wisdom and insight than the rest of us... I'm afraid to say that it is almost always the Dunning-Kruger effect at work. I think we're all adults and realize that the pharma industry is not a charity. And like all large businesses, there are some shady practices now and again. We are not blinkered fools. That doesn't mean it's in their interest to poison us.

Quick evening update. Just been out on my jog. Safely distanced. After dark, so not that many people around. Maybe 40-50% of pedestrians gave space too, in most cases I responded with a polite wave. Almost no runners gave me space... so I understand the bad blood. I do. They should know better. But that doesn't change my opinion that mutual cooperation is in everyone's interest. Interestingly, I did see one other jogger step out into the road to avoid pedestrians. In response, a driver decided to roll down his window and shout at him (for a second I wondered if I'd need to get my skinny 10 stone ass involved.. luckily not). But it has happened to me too, previously. Drivers.. if you need to temporarily slow down to allow people to socially distance, then just bloody do it. Don't be a dick!

If you saw me "jogging"... dragging all sorry 10 stones of my skinny ass slowly along the edge of Peckham Rye - you might not make the "faster/bigger" analogy! Yet there is some mileage in it. Drivers need to respect cyclists and give them space. Driving a 1 tonne lump of metal brings a certain responsibility, i.e. to avoid hitting people. That doesn't take away your right to grumble about the occasional shit cyclist with his head in the clouds.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This raises a more philosophical questions then. > Do we stay locked down until cases are totally > eradicated? Well of course it is far too late now, but near-eradication might have been possible if we'd acted sooner, imposed a harder lockdown, and closed the borders. I think the strategy now will be mainly guided by hospital capacity and vaccinations. The numbers in hospital now are still almost as high as the Spring peak last year. They need to come down a LOT for the NHS to recover and start getting through the backlog of other patients and procedures. We are surely still months away from that. Hopefully vaccinations should start bringing that down further over the next few weeks/months. And we still have at least 10K positive tests every day... that is far too many to be able to operate any sort of effective test and trace system. Maybe if the cases were down to the 100s per day, keeping a R rate of around 1, we'd stand a chance. In summary - I think it's far too early.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you're young enough to be able to > jog, it shouldn't be such a big deal to run into > 'the road or mud'. That's what we have to do and > we're getting on a bit. > > If joggers don't see that it they who should make > a diversion to avoid pedestrians, then they really > are just selfish and unaware humans. To be honest, I mainly agree. Joggers SHOULD make space - running into the road or mud is to be expected, I don't wish to sound as though I am complaining about that! (If that's how it sounds, I have misrepresented myself, so apologies). But I also think the person coming the other way should make a tiny little effort too, if they can. Whether the oncoming person is walking or jogging... I don't see why you would choose to behave differently, unless you have a personal grudge. Make eye contact, cooperate... if the other person has moved onto the road, you move a little over to the inside to contribute a little towards that 2 metre gap. Pugwash Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am fed up with joggers/adults and children on bikes, who suddenly 'loom up' on you. Agreed. Runners on pavements need to be super aware of people coming in and out of houses. And the responsibility is 100% on them to make space when approaching from behind, turning a corner, or when encountering a slow moving person. If their presence comes as a surprise, it's almost certainly their fault. And two people jogging on the pavement side by side is unacceptable. I just want everyone to be a bit more considerate and cooperative...

You say you have no agenda. But I'm afraid that your scare-mongering loaded language suggests otherwise. But well done for surviving your flu jab, glad you managed to pull through that potentially fatal ordeal. Come spring time, it WILL be a year since the first humans were given the Pfizer vaccine, by the way.