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oh I feel soooo old writing this but I remember the days when eating out for veggies was REALLY dismal, its improved a hell of a lot in the last decade or more. When I was veggie, I used to feel cheated when presented with only one choice of dish, (usually centred around a particular ingredient I didn't much like - mushroom or aubergine) whilst friends tucked into divine Sunday roasts with gravy, yorkshire puddings, the lot. Many places didn't include those as standard with a veggie 'roast' option, actually, some didn't have that as an option anyway. You'd have to be satisfied with a cheese & onion quiche & side salad (butter lettuce, insipid slice of tomato, onion and sweetcorn if you were lucky). Now there are so many 'fake' meat type products that if you want a (veggie) hot dog you can get it, wasn't like that previously when you'd have to nibble on rice cakes & cashew spread only available from the health shop. Saying that, it does seem like goat's cheese (& invariably beetroot) appears to be the 'new' veggie lasagne/mushroom risotto/nut roast/vegetable moussaka/quiche/omelette. edited to add: what's this got to do with east dulwich in particular?

Is there a 'paella' version of UB's crappy, tasteless, soul-destroying, over-priced rice then? Spotted some of those huge paella pans for sale in a deli. I really want one but they're so expensive. Probably go way of rice-cooker/pasta machine tho ;)

I've got one, had it for years, love it. Admittedly didn't use it much for the first year as I hadn't got the knack of the dough and the whole rolling and drying process seemed incredibly fiddly. Hard work. But...persevere and if you use it regularly, you soon become accustomed to his the dough should feel and before long it won't seem like such a chore. I love making ribbon pasta on it and have made this more times than the filled shapes. Highly recommend spelt semolina for making pasta. It's delicious. My machine is an imperia and it's going to last forever.

GSJ57 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The return of Ted and Honaloochie would be cause > for irrational joy... or maybe that should be > rational joy... hurrah to that! and a new entry for 2013: the El Pibe/Woody mutual appreciation society :))

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The menu at The Montpelier includes "Beer-battered > cod, Chips, Crushed Peas". > > CRUSHED peas? > > Is this some artisan version of mushy peas? > Are they crushed by hand in their own kitchen? I need to know. Sue - they probably are :)) That's how I do mine, I crush 'em with butter+chilli flakes+mint (a bit Nandos of me but there you go) - delicious. Mushy peas are a different beast entirely.

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- This is one way we can try to > alter the behaviour of those who put lives at risk > on the roads. In combination with pushing for a > review of planning and engineering decisions plus > a re-think on the rules of the road. > > See Otta, I have some avenues to attempt to change > things and I believe there has been a change in > thinking about motorised vehicles over the past > decade which is filtering through to planners etc. brilliant, now YOU have a way of getting people on your side, I wish you good luck with pushing for a review of planning. Don't forget that electric cars are becoming cheaper too & battery technology & range are being improved all the time - our roads may look quite different in major cities sooner than we think :))

You make a good point Lady D, you really do and I hope that you're right. Trouble is, not that it matters what I think of course, people tend to be put off viewing links from those who display such obvious bias & hostility from the outset. I know I haven't bothered reading them and if anything, some of the comments on this thread alienate cyclists further. More's the pity.

binary_star Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > numbers Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ah well I think horse riders are the most > > vulnerable road users not cyclists. > > > > It doesn't really matter what you 'think'. The > Highway Code classes horse rides, cyclists and > motorcyclist ALL as vulnerable road users for very > good reason. That's the problem with opinions, > beliefs as prejudices. They're not objective. And who do you think writes the Highway Code (& brings about legislation) if it doesn't matter what I 'think'. Faceless bureaucrats who must be obeyed with no connect to the rest of the population. Illustrating LadyD's point perfectly, which is you'll never change the status quo with that sort of dismissive attitude.

ah well I think horse riders are the most vulnerable road users not cyclists. if you're such an arsehole on the road that having your bones broken is the only thing that will alter your behaviour...well you really shouldn't be on the road! its an inevitable shame but this thread, at its best, is just preaching to the converted. signed Them. signed Us.

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not sure I've got any more apologies in me *Bob* > and numbers, so you'll have to make do with the > ones I've already given. very gracious of you ladyD, have just caught up with the posts in between now & spotted your apologies! glad its not 'them and us' anymore ;-)

oooops took ages to post that, just seen lots of posts since which may or may not make my point redundant. apols if so.

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's not about sides. It's about looking at the > most serious problems and finding solutions that > reduce harm. > > Trying to raise awareness of the situation from > the point of view of those most likely to suffer > the greatest harm is one way to start the > dialogue, but it's also important to understand > those causing the harm and their motivations. > > Like I said before, I don't think that I should > have to feel like I'm travelling through a warzone > when I cycle to and from work, so I want people to > explore options that benefit the majority if the > community, not just the ones in the biggest > vehicles. It's all very well and good trying to raise awareness and start a dialogue LadyD but star bob star's post about how you managed to antagonize the people you are trying to engage with in your first post nailed it for me, that's exactly how I felt after reading it too. The tone set throughout this whole thread hasn't been conducive to constructive discussion on what is an excellent subject that could do with being aired. I don't own a car and don't drive (although I hold a licence) but I felt put off by the aggressive broad brush anti-driver statements throughout this thread, lumping people together like that is not on. I think many road users have had a mixed transport experience at a given point in their lives and this naturally colours their opinion. This thread comes across as very much 'them and us' when in reality I don't think its that clear cut. I don't ride a motorcycle but I tend to think the majority of motorcyclists are the most considerate road users of all. I find motorcyclists when they drive cars display a good sense of awareness of what is around them and they leave plenty room when passing. Of course you shouldn't have to feel like you're travelling through a war zone just to cycle to work and back. When I first started cycling to work in central London in the mid-90s I hated it, lived in fear of being squished by double-deckers and didn't feel I was given any space until I made it to Hyde Park. After an absence from London, I couldn't believe how much cycling had improved a decade later with noticeably more cyclists on the roads. It became the norm rather than the exception for colleagues to cycle to work. I cycle in other cities when I visit them, Berlin is excellent and I wish London was the same. However, as you say perhaps planning & infrastructure is at fault here. Berlin was a building site with plenty scope to incorporate numerous cycle routes, separate from traffic, well-signposted and with cyclists who are diligent about obeying the rules.

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Stupid game. I'm not playing it any more. > > I'm taking the ball and the goal posts home Hmmmph...I've taken mine back too but can I just please ask aquarius moon, are the initials B.M.?

on my commutes to and from work by bicycle I have to say it was pretty much almost ALWAYS other cyclists & pedestrians that were responsible for causing or almost causing an accident due to sheer carelessness, stupidity, arrogance, god knows what. riding home late from work was worst due to roads being emptier, traffic moving faster and the inevitable idiot cyclist without any reflective clothing or lighting on their bike. btw am not excusing all car drivers/buses/taxis by any means just giving my experience. I found traffic so slow on my route in to work, that the only time that they really scared me/pissed me off on the roundabout at Vauxhall before I crossed over to Albert Embankment. pedestrians on the other hand, always walking out in front not looking where they were going, other cyclists taking the piss and going through red lights. nightmare.

Judas.

SCSB79 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Don't reply then numbers. oh I know, I know. I'm going...gone. cancels subscription, incl. FREE vial of victim's tears with next installment

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh please god no, not this again! this should be added to the forum's banned topics list.

Jesus.

ach who here genuinely cares about whoever presented Eurovision yadda yadda, the Hooch is back! Hurrah!

woodrot meet trizza, trizza meet woodrot...oh!

titch good they PMd you, hope you choose a lovely expensive beer when you get your freebie jeremy, yes that makes more sense to me now to think of craft beer as microbrew! kailyn is ruthless rye from peckham? fab if so. not tried that. PS trendsetters hey, sue & quids, don't bossman sell stella at six for a fiver anymore :))

We don't need no vegetation.

Nice post on here from the Draft House btw.

Interesting article on the use of the word 'craft' by the beer industry http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/business/browns-beer-big-beer-brands-stop-pretending-you-were-crafted-by-a-guy-in-a-shed/4949.article titch oh no that's not good. was it def the same beer, seems a hell of a lot more to pay for it in ED than Covent Garden? I spent 4.50 on a bottle of N2B black widow stout and 3.95 on their IPA. expensive habit but suppose it forces you to drink less... I'd only have spent it on wine otherwise. http://www.norfolksquarebrewery.co.uk/#!maverikbeers/c200s Didn't like the porter at all.

we'll stop calling them phones when we have the ability to contact people with the blink of an eye. oh wait...