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Horrendously overpriced then. _Spinach Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- . As *Bob* rightly deduced, Ottelenghi > style is definitely the best way to describe it.

Christmas starts on the 1st September. Everyone knows that. I got told off for whistling God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen in the office today.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > That queue, or more to the point, the fact that > > people are actually queuing, is hilarious. > > > I'd say there's something sad about it. What are > people expecting to find? Narnia? Hilariously sad

That queue, or more to the point, the fact that people are actually queuing, is hilarious.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I expect you'll be moaning when it's 'too cold'. > Embrace the sunshine and enjoy it while it's still > with us. I LOVE cold weather, colder the better, so you won't catch me moaning :)

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Felt a bit of autumn in the air this morning > > Halloween will be here soon enough :) It was lovely walking out the door with that slight chill :)

Too hot for me. A summer of 24 or 24c with hazy sunshine, low humidity and a light breeze would do me from start of June to end of August.

Love it! In a similar-ish vein (driving beat and quite funky)

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Good draw for all the English clubs in CL. Celtic > with Barca and City has got to be the most > attractive group. after all that we got lucky!

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Next Wednesday 31st. > > Louisa. Thanks

Does anyone know the proposed opening date for M&S? Apologies if it's already been mentioned earlier in the thread.

Elphinstone's Army Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa, > > It isn't M&S fault that Iceland pulled out of it's > site. > > M&S do not do vegan or dairy free sandwiches or > wraps for example, so it will not provide all > things to all shoppers. > We can't be the only meat/dairy wheat free family > for miles around? Through health/diet/ethical > reasons (we all have different reasons) and expect > soon enough this essential dietary necessity or > eccentricity will be catered for along LL for > those of us who would not touch such cheap eggs > (poor hens Louisa) butter, cheese and definitely > not fishfingers which you lauded as reasons to > shop at Iceland. > > I remember the old Home and Colonial shops, with > tiled frontages, floorboards with fresh sweet > smelling sawdust, a cashier on the left, in a > mahogany throne, a cheese wire to cut massive > round cheeses, the smell of freshly ground coffee, > and the grind of the machine, large biscuit tins > in their sides so you helped yourself (hands in > the biscuits)! for them to be weighed, the > bespectacled old gentleman who had been there > since Adam was a lad, and greeted us all by name, > and best of all, the bacon slicer. We three would > stand transfixed whilst the assistant, would slap > a piece of ham or bacon onto the blade, and press > his hand against it, firmly. It was far more > exciting if the piece was flat, and better still > if it was small, as the machine whirred and the > slices plonked down onto waxed paper laid on the > other side, the prospect of nails, flesh and blood > flying across the counter became excitingly > imminent. > Alas, the operator was skilled as a matador and we > walked home despondent disappointed and ready to > try again next week. > > Saturday morning, my Father would park right > outside, to collect The Order. > > I believe they were taken over by Lipton's, Foxy > will know, and were smartened up. > > At the time, who would have guessed how times and > shopping would change. > > When I told my children this fascinating social > history they rolled their eyes : it was of no > interest to them, my experiences were out of their > time. > > Iceland here was out of time and out of sync. The > shop could not continue for you, the same as the > Coop will not keep going for dbboy and his bread. > > > The High Street is evolving, we will have a new > shop next to Rose's at last, then possibly the > Irish Shop will be a cushion and fascinator store, > Londis is threatening to become a Costa Coffee and > Question Air will be moving on soon. > > The Coop will be transformed into a Waitrose and > Lidl will rebuild the Grove Tavern. > > My own desire which is well documented, is that a > busy, clean, delivering, modern store selling > fresh fresh veg with a juice bar will materialise. > A modern take on what we knew as a greengrocer. > With apples and eggs from Kent, potatoes and root > veg from Lincolnshire and salad from Hertfordshire > or even nearer, all realistically priced, local > honey and brown paper bags. sigh. > > Louisa you cannot look upon Iceland as your own > Bali Hai and be left behind : it isn't as though > there isn't one at Peckham Rye should you need a > fix : it was a charmless place - what if all the > friendly staff had left of their own volition > anyway, would you still be as enamoured? > > I am sorry you are despondent - however - > embracing change and progress apparently keeps us > young in spirit, interested and interesting. > > Iceland is gone now from Lordship Lane and you are > still in mourning. > I feel I am offering grief counselling : but come > out with us and explore this bright shiny new > store, do not be sulking - there might be > champagne ! (Cava) > > Hand on heart I swear I will never again mention > the Home and Colonial Stores. I really enjoyed reading that :)

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Louisa Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > I have always found Sainsburys to be vastly > > > overrated. It is the same as Asda, Tesco or > > > Morrisons but tries to market itself as a > > > competitor to Waitrose and M&S. If I'm being > > > perfectly honest, Lidl and Aldi offer cheaper > > and > > > better quality produce than Sainsburys and > > excel > > > in their smaller format shops because they're > > easy > > > in and out jobs, no messing around. > > > > > > I don't dislike M&S, I would shop at M&S over > > > Sainsburys any day of the week. It is better > > > quality and it isn't much more expensive. My > > > problem with M&S Dulwich is the fact they've > > > picked the wrong location IMHO. They should > > have > > > opted for Peckham Rye station after the > > > redevelopment. A much better punt. Leaving > > Iceland > > > intact. > > > > > > Louisa. > > > > I have used all of the large supermarkets in > the > > area and Sainsburys is by far the better in > terms > > of food quality and overall shopping > experience. > > It's clean, well laid out, usually well-stocked > > and the staff are unfailingly fantastic. Mainly > > local youths who rightly or wrongly people have > > certain expectations of, but are all super > > friendly, polite, cheerful and knowledgeable. > > Every member of staff seems to know exactly > where > > every product can be found. > > > We all have different experiences and expectations > of supermarkets, but personally, I have never > found Sainsburys offering to be any different to > any of the other major footprint supermarkets on a > national level. They certaintly try to market > themselves towards a certain clientele, and > they've been rather successful at doing that. Also > bare in mind the DKH sainsburys is appealing to a > relatively affluent clientele, visit one of their > other stores and your experience may be slightly > different. > > Louisa. Yes, I'm only commenting on the DKH branch. But then only because it's relevant to this local discussion.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have always found Sainsburys to be vastly > overrated. It is the same as Asda, Tesco or > Morrisons but tries to market itself as a > competitor to Waitrose and M&S. If I'm being > perfectly honest, Lidl and Aldi offer cheaper and > better quality produce than Sainsburys and excel > in their smaller format shops because they're easy > in and out jobs, no messing around. > > I don't dislike M&S, I would shop at M&S over > Sainsburys any day of the week. It is better > quality and it isn't much more expensive. My > problem with M&S Dulwich is the fact they've > picked the wrong location IMHO. They should have > opted for Peckham Rye station after the > redevelopment. A much better punt. Leaving Iceland > intact. > > Louisa. I have used all of the large supermarkets in the area and Sainsburys is by far the better in terms of food quality and overall shopping experience. It's clean, well laid out, usually well-stocked and the staff are unfailingly fantastic. Mainly local youths who rightly or wrongly people have certain expectations of, but are all super friendly, polite, cheerful and knowledgeable. Every member of staff seems to know exactly where every product can be found.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah, there are probably people on the edge where > its only the quality that gets them to the indies > despite the inconvenience. Hopefully the overall > increase in footfall will offset that. Time will > tell. I think they'll be okay though. > > The co-op though-- I just don't know how it can > survive. I agree about the co-op. I can't see too many mourning it's loss though.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > I fear a little (only a little as I think > there's > > room for both) for Moxons, William Rose, NCR > > market, Franklins. But, if it forces prices down > a > > little in those places, then it's a good thing. > > > I think for Moxons, William Rose, NCR market, the > Cheeseblock etc, people go there for the > experience (it feels nice and quaint) and the > quality. They won't switch to M&S as that format > is for people who value convenience more than > strolling down the high street popping into all > their local favorites. > > I can say this as a pompous ass who shops at those > idie shops and the market weekly. If I ask my > partner to get things for me, he always goes to > Sainsbury (either the small local one near Crystal > Palace Rd or the big one) so he can get everything > done in one place as fast as possible. He > supports the indies but just can't be bothered if > we are busy, which is most of the time, whereas I > always use them even though it takes longer. > > Franklins I think could suffer though as I'm not > sure the quality or selection is that great and > the prices are insane. I use those shops too as there's no half decent meat, fish, cheese alternative within walking distance. Now, the M&S quality won't be quite as good, but much closer than what's currently available. And because of that and the cheaper prices, I will likely use M&S. I wish the lady that used to sell sushi outside Moxon's would return. That's something I will deffo use M&S for.

sela Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Foxy. You can't compare the quality between > Sainsbury and M&S. Yes you can. Sainsburys is generally good quality, particularly the Taste The Difference range, which is quite extensive. You can't compare size though.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I really believe M&S have got this one wrong... > > When you take the car.. you don't want to trudge > through the back streets .. > with heavy shopping .. in the rain trying to > find where you left it.. > > Initially people will drive and find that is a no > brainer.. so will go up the hill to Sainsbury's > where there > are 100's of free parking spaces. > > It will become a pop-in last minute place.. like > Iceland was.. > > I think the size will be its downfall. Trying to > find what you are looking for when you do not have > much time. > > I Simply do not know what the planners hope to > achieve. > > Foxy I think it can't fail. It has such a captive market. Think of how many houses are within 10 minutes walking distance and think of the demographic of most people living in those houses. It will be a huge success. If the co-op is busy, which it is, this will be even busier. I fear a little (only a little as I think there's room for both) for Moxons, William Rose, NCR market, Franklins. But, if it forces prices down a little in those places, then it's a good thing.

But it's not a massive food store. It'll be similar in size to the co-op and that doesn't need parking. People are talking about it like it's a big supermarket.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This thread, like the others that proceeded it are > hilarious. > > There are about 10 M&S stores already in South > London within a few miles of Lordship Lane. Many > of these are much larger than the one opening in > East Dulwich. This is hardly some major > destination shop for South London. > > This store will attract the same geographical pull > that already comes to ED (Dulwich Village, West > Dulwich, Forest Hill / Honor Oak, Peckham Rye, > Nunhead). People will come in for picnic, lunch > food, and convenience food mostly. It will also > steal the co-ops business (people popping in for a > few things but not a major shop). > > Overall, I think it will increase footfall on > Lordship Lane (the more reasons people have to > come out, the more likely they will). That's why > some of the independent business owners came out > in support of the M&S opening on the previous > thread. Will that increase parking pressure-- > maybe a bit but most people won't drive as most > people didn't drive to Iceland and don't drive to > the Co-Op. > > Will this shop be busier than the Iceland and make > Lordship Lane busier. Yes, probably. That's the > outcome of opening businesses people want to use. This. Lordship Lane is hugely residential. The lane itself and every surrounding street. There will be an enormous amount of foot traffic.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Camberwell Road is ok, but I prefer the warehouse > Iceland on OKR near toys r us. Very well stocked, > and free easy car parking. But it doesn't detract > from the convenience nature of the former LL > store. A store most of us walked to, being > replaced by a destination shop many will DRIVE to, > which doesn't have parking facilities. Oh well, I > can't keep moaning it's happening now. Let's see > the result of this 'convenience' style store. > > Louisa. You'd walk to Iceland on Lordship Lane but not to the Post Office which is 5 metres further?

Do you really believe that's their thinking? And it's not in place to protect the bigger teams? They couldn't give a shit about the smaller teams. Football is all about form and teams should be seeded or judged on form. In this format teams are being given a leg-up just because they've done well in the past. It's like saying that Man City and Chelsea should only have to play lower positioned teams in the premier league for the first 6 weeks of the season because they've won the league some time in the past 5 seasons.

You get my point though. The current format is anti-competition and purely designed to keep the same teams at the top.

And, if they use the co-efficient for teams finishing 2nd, 3rd and 4th in their leagues, why not for first? Leicester, with less European experience should not be in pot 1, using their reasoning for what's fair and what's not.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you are a habitual domestic league winner (eg > Barca) and that habitual winner happens to drop a > place in their domestic league it doesn't stop you > being a pot 1 team. > > We wouldn't want Barcelona to be a pot two team - > what chance would the pot 3 and pot 4 teams have > with a pot 1 team (eg Bayern or Real Madrid) + > Barca in the group? > > That's why its done over a longer period and > considered fair - its fair to the other teams in > the group. Of course we'd want Barca to drop down to pot 2 if they dropped in form in the league. That would suggest they weren't as good as the previous year and should be seeded accordingly. Conversely if they weren't as good as previous years, they shouldn't be good enough for pot 1 and out of their depth.