Tony.London Suburbs

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How do I think they would feel or would I agree > with them? The question was how do you think the majority of Irish people in my hypothetical example would feel Sean, I'm pretty sure how you would feel about it. > > As a community that itself has effectively > colonised large swathes of London (the 33rd county > up in NW2 and beyond) I would have nothing but > malice in my heart for any Irish person living in > Ireland who had a problem with immigrants. Again Sean, I can see that they are your views but I'm asking how the Irish, in general, would feel. And I know several irish people who fit that description. But equally I know many more who recognise the world as it is and that where your parents had sex and squatted out another mewling pup has got little bearing on what kind of human being you are or where you deserve to live Large parts of Ireland are now populated by non-Irish people Tony. And the pathetic, narrow-mind, bitter little country that it used to be is gone, thank the sweet stars. Are there people still there who can't accept this? Absolutely.. there are (clearly) people like this everywhere. Did you have a problem with the Kilburn/Cricklewood area when it was largely Irish Tony? How did true Londoners feel about this invasion? Apart from the ones who had "no Black no Irish" in their windows? Give it to me straight Tony Sean, I love The Irish (though if you carry on like this I'll start to make an exception in your case M8:))).. I love their "general air of bon-homie", unlike me who is clearly a fake Bon-Homier and Joie De Vivrer:)) they are genuinely (as a Group) like that... Gregarious, Generous, Fun, Friendly, Love a Drink and a Gamble...whats NOT to like??:))....If you brought them all over from the Emerald Isle London and England would be all the better for it. Almost my favourite Nationality and I do NOT take kindly to you (or anyone else ever denigrating them!) :)) Straight enough for you Seanster?:))

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tony... your post in the small hours of this > morning sounded almost like BNP speak... Jeremy: Nothing to do with BNP speak, well it might be as I don't take much notice of what they or any extreme organisation say.....I'm just stating exactly what has happened since I grew up in Inner London since the Mid-1950's and I heavily suspect that the overwhelming majority of the descendents of Generations of Londoners would feel the same. In fact Jeremy, on your travels, take the time to speak to older Men and Women who have lived in London for say 40/50 years and see how they all, individually, feel about the loss of their Culture in many parts of Inner London. I suspect they would feel exactly like how people of any Ethncity would feel in they suddenly became a "diminshing" minority when they were previously, virtually, a 99% Majority M8. Thats got nothing to do with how you treat individuals. Everyone should, naturally, receive equal respect, friendship and treatment but thats a different point to old farts like me bemoaning the loss of my Culture and the immense change in London Town.;-)

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Under the general air of bon-homie that TLS tries to carry off, are waves of darkness I don't much care for..... If you are alluding to what I think you are, then answer me this question please Sean (and if you are not could you please answer it anyway). You know Ireland and The Irish better than I do, You are more familiar than I am with Irish Culture, but I think I have got a flavour over the last 54 years so:- How do you think most Irish people would feel if the area that they lived in was completely transformed in the way that many parts of London have been in their lifetime, using Newham, in East London,as an example. I'm speaking, hypothetically, in the sense that few remaining people in a "traditionally" Irish Community through the centuries remained. and the whole area and Culture there became unrecognisable in their lifetime. How do you honestly think most of the remaining few (who had now become the clear minority in the birthplace of Generations of their antecedents) would feel?

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you really love London Town and all it has to > offer, then you need to acknowledge the people who > handed it to you on a platter: the waves of > transient workers residing in London 'because it > suited' (over the last couple of thousand years) - > and still do. Acknowledged. > > And seeing as the Liberals haven't been in power > for nearly a century, I'm assuming that (under the > stewardship of mainly the Tories, with a little > bit of Labour) our fair City must have reached the > peak of perfection? Am I right? Whatever standard we have reached, thus far, I fail to see how a Liberal Administration would improve it. Pointless speculating, hypothetically, about they "might" do or "would" do as its pure supposition. I happen to believe London would regress umder their stewardship.

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > *sigh* ... but to address the points raised > > 1 out of 5 ain't bad, I did have "the benefit of a > decent English education" after I moved here > (though Spain's education system has totally > leapfrogged it since we left Franco's Spain). > > That's not everything though is it, everyone still > has to carve out their own life and some of my > contemporaries have done well, most are fine and > happy, some did not so well, some particularly > badly and some are dead, one of them found on a > park bench post heroin overdose, blue as the sky > that morning. So mixed fortunes for your contemporaries but I merely said YOU were "reasonably affluent" so as I did not score any for that I can only conclude that you are NOT "reasonably affluent" though you haven't said so. I said you come from The Shires meaning you were not born in Inner London. You, I assumed, have travelled a fair distance and I assumed "The Shires", forgive my laughter but I did not realise you come from even FURTHER afield!;-) As for the last 2 points, namely: "You, obviously, moved to the bright lights of London but have no natural affinity to the place. It "suits" for now." Well the first part is, undeniably, correct and you have not pledged any allegiance to London Town so was I wrong? You couldn't give a flying fcuk about England or, at best, you are indifferent, make that "supremely indifferent" Again you have not expressed any real fondness for The Country that you choose to reside in, I doubt that "indifferent" is too wide of the mark at all! So not only are you judgemental, you're rubbish at it.......See Above.;-) > My "twonk" was merely expressing annoyance that a > pretty good debate was being had, then you > appeared in the middle of an argument no-one else > was having, with some nice simplistic juxtaposing > of ludicrous policies noone has proposed, a > willingness to vote lib-dem, and a hippy hymn.> > Yep, constructive stuff. :))...I'll be very unlucky if I happen to be communicating with one of the few people in Britain who know a few of The Lib.Dems Policies...I'm certain 99% of people haven't a clue what their Policies are, but I did allow my loathing of The LibDems to get the better of me.:)) > > I don't know you from Adam (and won't making a > dreadful hash of being judgemental). You've > probably got a good analytical mind there, some of > your posts have certainly hinted at it in the past > (though lord knows it's sometimes hard to see past > the chips on your shoulder), but I don't think > anyone will be gleaning any of that from your > posts above and you won't win any brownie points > from me (as if you want them) with such trite, > pointless, tish and pish. Thats a lifetime first, one must say. No-one has ever accused me of having chips on my shoulders before but I am getting slightly embitterred as I get older( seeing British Troops being jeered at the other day when marching their own Country does not help) but you must realise that when I was growing up in Inner London 45 years ago I would go ONE WEEK to another and see only Brits who (As a Group) shared my Culture and now have to witness area after area in that same London, 45 years later, where the people who DO share my Culture are in the declining minority and its not easy to take I'll admit.(Imagine large parts of Madrid and Bilbao and Valencia with few Spaniards remaining)..I don't think the remaining Spanish will like that scenario do you MP? > > And judging by your apparent contempt of the > shires, I'd say I'm not the one who hates > England. Rubbish conclusion to make from my comments. I was referring to "individuals" who come "from the shires" and have no natural affinity to London, that was not denigrating "The Shires" (which I believe are quintessentially British and all the better for it). How you perceive a hatred of my Country from that The Good Lord only knows...:) > > Regardless I extend the hand of friendship if > you'll unclench... Well having offered a hand of friendship on here on a previous thread and been rebuffed, for the first time ever on a Forum, it would be churlish indeed if I was to do likewise so...:)-D No hard feelings M8, lets both move on.

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Tony.London Suburbs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jeremy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Can't wait for the response. > > It had better be quick Jeremy as I'm shortly to > get in my car (I KNOW!:))) to go out for the night > M8...and whats a Guy to do?..I've been called everything under the sun many times but "twonk"..thats a bridge too far! tls exeunt...

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can't wait for the response. It had better be quick Jeremy as I'm shortly to get in my car (I KNOW!:))) to go out for the night M8...

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think I can hear Mockney typing.. could be a > long one It won't be "bob"..the illuminati only acknowledge their "own" on here, unless its to "mock" outsiders, rarely, if ever, to "engage". Its beneath them, you see...engaging with, as Huguenot so admirably put it only 2 hours ago, "intellectual midgets"...

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > twonk mockney piers: Let me have an "educated" guess........ You come from The Shires. You come from a reasonably affluent background. You had the benefit of a decent English education. You, obviously, moved to the bright lights of London but have no natural affinity to the place. It "suits" for now. You couldn't give a flying fcuk about England or, at best, you are indifferent, make that "supremely indifferent".. I love England and London Town so forgive me for having a different viewpoint, shared by the majority of Brits and Londoners (old skool) one should think, so "twonk" on it and "twirl".. Was Iclose btw?

Public Transport!...It will take 4/5 Hours each way but you will be saving the planet you selfish **** n.b. Please see "Congestion" thread as a reference for the above....

Moos Wrote: AND I think Phil Jupitus is funny on Buzzcocks. You MUST be thinking of the sublime Simon Amstrell....

I'm voting as I love everybody and want everybody to come and join the endless Partytime that is Great Britain Ltd/PLC. I would abolish all Border Controls and allow anybody who isn't legally entitled to come to Britain to come anyway, for the craic. Indeed I would provide transport, worldwide, to facilitate this. I would allow all the (purported) 400,000 illegal immigrants to stay in London (that figure IS accurate as The Sun said so) and allow an Amnesty to ensure this occurs . I would arrange weekly gatherings so we could all sit round the Campfire together and sing Happy-Clappy Songs about Rainbows. Anyone who doesn't like this lovely idea can p*ss off to The Isle Of Wight. Oh! I'd abolish all punishments, all deterrents, and certainly have no Prisons (apart from one containing Ian Huntley cos he wuz realy nasty)... So its Lib-Dems for Me...:)-D ALL TOGETHER NOW. Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya O Lord, kumbayaaaaaaa

Some questions: Is an intellectual pygmy superior intellectually to an intellectual midget? Where would an intellectual goblin or elf come in any pecking order? Do they all dwarf intellectually in comparison with, er, intellectual dwarfs and final question: How come, INVARIABLY, nae, INEVITABLY, Guys who consider themselves intellectually "superior" have all the common sense of an average Japanese Swallowtail Butterfly and have more variations than Paganini ever devised in talking complete and utter bollox in the way their ideas would impact on the daily lifestyle of most everyday common or garden punters?...

As a group, most motorists are very much of the belief that if you pay for a car (and give a proportion of that to the Govt) and pay Road Tax (and give a proportion of that to the Govt) and pay for your Insurance and MOT (and give a proportion of that to the Govt) and pay some of the most exorbitant amounts for Petrol in Europe (and give a LARGE proportion of that to the Govt) and pay exorbitant Parking Charges..that they should then be able to use the roads, where and when they choose..:))...but thats just their mentality...;-)

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ok so you went back and edited your post umm..slightly begruding..but swiftly moving on... but> what is with this "overnight" business? It was discussed for years, in his manifesto and voted in.. They may have known for yonks but they were only "affected" from Day 1, as it were And come on, let's have the TLS solution to congestion Its that "tone" again!....but as you ask...INCREASE PETROL!...the more you use the roads-- the more you pay! Fair?

charliecharlie Wrote: > I mean, come on guys... LOOK at that smug little > smirk... Now chasx2 don't you join in, as well...the geezer is a veritable Genius..int he?

Sandperson Wrote: ...penalty or not? Oh1 Purleeseeee...just because the Guy was hit at point blank range and couldn't get out of the way and it hit his shoulder anywayz....stop being soooo pedantic... Hello! Liverpool! Anfield!...:)) p.s. Remember the skeleton that used to be sold for Motorists to display? "Died waiting for an Away Penalty at Anfield!"...

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tony, you have just ignored my point to reiterate > your own No I ain't Guv'nor..I was comparing the "poor" Motorist to the "poor" who use LT...though I DID add that, so you may not have seen it Sean. > > Is there another way to remove cars from the road > other than financial means? A fiver a day (at the > time) is roughly similar to a day travelcard in > London. Most poor people are already doing the > latter but I don't hear the motorist lobby bleat > about the poor from that perpective. But you get a > fat, well paid middle-manager to give up his car > and take a tube and you hear PLENTY about the cost > of public transport then, oh yes indeedy "fat" as in "financially2 fat, I trust...I disapproove of folk generalising on here:))

Moos Wrote: TLS, you weren't one of those of whom I spoke. However, there are contributors to that thread who remain in my mind The Unforgiven. I am Madam, thoroughly remorseful..a Thousand Apologies...:) And I assert that 'bird' is the appropriate counterpart to 'bloke', just as 'woman' is to 'man' and 'lady' to 'gentleman'. Any questions? Nah! Not me M8 I make you right!...I should have noted that...tls slinks away head bowed in utter shame...:( Am I forgiven Darling?

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > A common criticism but one that doesn't stand up. > The genuinely poor never drove into central London > anyway - they took transport and live a fair bit > away so are already paying for transport and > spending a few quid a day just to get in to > central London. As someone who takes the bus I can > validate absolutely that the congestion charge > benefited those poor directly as bus journeys > improved significantly. Sean: Ken chose financial means to remove as many Motorists as possible. Surely then the only people who'se choice of Transport immediately changed overnight, were those who were least in a position to afford the Charge? ...and what about the "poor" Motorist? --pun only slightly intended;-)

Moos Wrote: Hey northlondoner, I thought you was a bird. No idea why. Moos: Will you not "gleefully" "denigrate" (one has a Memory:))) Women by jokingly referring to them as "birds" you are not Michael (You are only supposed to blow the bleedin' doors off!) Caine....though you are very Able...:))

As I say. its lucky Ken's a lifelomg Socialist:)-D

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Tony.London Suburbs - not sure how it affects the > poor the most. They can't be that poor if they own > a car (which is a luxury in London, not a > necessity) and can afford petrol! Jeremy, the objective was to remove a percentage of Motorists off the Road by financially forcing some to not take the car. By definition, those in a lesser financial position to pay will have been the ones to have departed, leaving those in a better financial position to enjoy the extra space that the removal of these Guys gave!

I'm still thinking of somewhere decent in South-East London LYM...Hello! LYM...I say!..?..?....the'll be a Search Party out for you, if you don't respond fairly soon:))