first mate - yes patronising and paternalistic . Blaming the council for conniving to delay weather dependent work when the weather has been wet and listening, if rather late, to locals about Grove Vale isn't very fair or likely to encourage them to listen again. Leaving aside my view that the argument is being misrepresented in the first half of this sentence ,it's the last bit that gets me . " encourage them to listen again " if the kiddies are, in our view , disrepectful we'll stop listening to them. Why does Southwark need encouraging to listen ? Aren't they elected ? Aren't they supposed to be listening ? IME local authorities do what they like ,after they've spent money pretending to consult ,so good on all of you who are exposing this and trying to achieve a wider consultation .