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Does anyone know whether results for those taking AS this summer are /were affected by investigations into exam practice at Kingsdale ? Were the results good ?

The 12 route is as described above - going into town they travel down Barry Rd ,left at Peckham Rye and left up East Dulwich Rd to Goose Green and up Dog Kennel Hill to Camberwell .

Yesterday that section of road was open to pedestrains . Several of the shops in that section were open ,but not the Post Office . Shop next to Gregs that burnt out was Regens ,sold lingerie/bras etc . I'd be interested to know why 12 bus going up Dog Kennel Hill ,it's causing no end of misunderstandings ,as it's not clear if you board it before East Dulwich Rd where it's going .

So I guess the first step to knowing what you want is knowing what you don't want. Not sure I understand this or its relevance to my shock at the way courts are curently dealing with people . Take your point edhistory and thank you DJKillaqueen for expressing my thoughts more eloquently than I had managed to .

I really don't know Frankito - tag them ,release them on bail ,deal with them calmly and with due respect to law /previous judgements handed down ?

The national figures from the Ministry of Justice show that about 66% of those who have appeared in court have been remanded into custody to wait for another court hearing. The MoJ says this compares with an average remand figure of 10% for similar offences in 2010. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14504294 Just shocked by this knee jerk reaction - the ring leaders will get away . Those on the periphery will be punished for political effect ,to make an example . The effect on those involved in the looting will be to hardern the battle lines .

Massive crane gone now . Buses still diverted .

kidkruger - yes Khans is open .Very tired staff what with Ramadan and all the recent trouble .

LJ - I would advise coming home early . I'm just back in from Peckham and Camberwell . Shops in Peckham have been advised to close by police - whether they are just being cautious or they have some information I don't know . MacDonalds in Camberwell has closed and the manager told me that he'd had trouble in the Walworth Rd branch earlier today . Guy on bus just now trying to pick a fight with a middleaged guy " Why are you looking at me ? You're looking at me like a girl ..etc "

From TFL site Route 12 diverted via East Dulwich Road, Grove Vale, Dog Kennel Hill, Champion Park, Denmark Hill, Camberwell Road to line of route. Routes 12,37,63,78,312, 343 diverted Peckham Rye, Copland street, Consort Road, Clayton Road.

Alan - following is from Southwark's website Plastic bags Plastic carrier bags are not biodegradable and stay buried in landfill sites for hundreds of years. Try and take reusable bags shopping. Plastic bags can be reused as bin liners for small bins or you can take them to bag recycling bins in large supermarkets. Otherwise, put them in your household refuse bin. so ,if the info is up to date ,and with Southwark you never know ,then I think it's a no to recycling those bags .

Another vote for NFU here.

Can anyone recommend one that is sympathetic towards mental health issues ? I know in theory that they all should be but just wondered if any individuals had been found to be more sympathetic than others .

I don't think that Fuschia was saying that the children were depressed - I read it as depression ( hers ) at the decision making process ,not being properly thought through .

The posts on The Evening Standard article were taken down as well - wonder when we'll hear the outcome of the exam board investigation ? I can't believe that malpractice will be confirmed - surely too great an impact on the students who have sat exams ? I mean would they have to resit ? Which is not to say of course that there was no malpractice ,just that I can't believe that it'll be confirmed .

Curly - my experience of the education system over the last 2 decades is that it is dominated by league tables and a narrow definition of what counts as a succesful school ,ie one that achieves good exam results by whatever means . My experience is that Headteachers and senior management put enormous pressure on teachers being expected for example to run booster classes at the weekend ,after school and in holidays for no extra pay . Improved grades for some may be a result but there is a loss ( IME ) of real learning ,real education and very often for the average student , of confidence as they are constantly made to feel that their grades are not good enough . The current system seeks to reduce education to a linear progression of targets that must be achieved - this is seen as good because it makes learning " measurable " and something which the teacher and insitution can be ranked and judged by . There is no allowance for the many who don't learn in a neat and tidy linear way and the need to show that targets are always being achieved and that one school is better than its neighbour forces people to find ways that circumvent the system .

sophiesofa - you can mix paper and glass ( and other recyclable stuff ) in same bin . Mixed recycling ?Kerbside properties will be able to mix all of their recyclable items together in one container, with no more need to separate out different waste types. Have a look here http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200084/recycling_and_waste/2212/service_changes

LynP - Yes an Academy by it's very nature can provide the equipment that makes it very attractive but what good is that without fantastic teachers? Spot on with your remark about teachers , not that Academy status will guarantee good teaching . But the first part of your remark is a misconception I think . Maybe the additional freedom to juggle their own budget will enable Goodrich to buy extra equipment ,but there won't be any additional money ,so it will be robbing Peter to pay Paul . AFAIK these new style Academies will receive ?25,000 for legal and organisational costs involved in converting . To me that's money merely for the sake of administrative reform . Where does that money come from ? Surely it could be more gainfully spent elsewhere ? The Academy movement is a political act ,privatising and further fragementing our education system .

Fuschia - it's too complicated isn't it ,trying to explain your position and thinking to this guy ? Who knows what he has going on in his head and his life . No I wouldn't have said sorry ,and I wouldn't have agonised over what I could/should have said .

I was just responding to the bus thread . Still think saying nothing is best way forward .

Returning to orginal question - what would you have done ? Said nothing ,why bother ? Sometimes it's not all about finding the " right answer " or even proving that you're in the right .

I can't tell you how much I'm loving these photographs . Used to live near this station and remember the demolition of the railway bridge over Lordship Lane ,near the turn off to Sydenham Hill . More ,more .

Townleygreen - I think we forget how easy it is these days to communicate with eachother - forums ,internet ,mobile phones .Plus think we have more leisure time .Easier to get together and campaign now than in 1954 .

You can't use the green bin for garden waste ...but the paper bags are much stronger and more resilent than they look . I've never had any difficulties using them for garden waste disposal .

I think it's probably down to the individual cat's nature but ..... our cats have been on dried food all their life ( pet shop had them on it ,moistened with water ,when we bought them as kittens ,no idea how weaned ) and never show the slightest interest in wet food ( weeell a passing sniff at tuna ) . They never go on work surfaces . But cats love amonia smell /bleach so possibly check what you're cleaning work tops with ,in case it's encouraging them ?