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Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For the sceptics accusing me of making a big deal > out of nothing, > > I was NOT trying to spark yet another debate about > gentrification, or coffee or anything else. Just > letting people know that a particular chain was > coming to the area... > Hmmm... From Louisa's original posting - "From a negative point, is this yet further evidence that Peckham is gentrifying at a pace now? What do we all think?" LOL Louisa!

Oh, I see. So nothing to do with vents then.

That was a real selling point, I thought.

So?

Fingers crossed that gets waved through!

We'll see. If not, at least I can sit on the next old dumped sofa and enjoy the view.

A better sort of more neighbourly tenant might be the only thing that prevents scumbags dumping their rubbish there. I walk past there a lot and there's often crappy furniture fly tipped there. Clearly it is dumped by some loser who is moving out but who doesn't care about anyone else. Unfortunately, I suspect no number of palm trees will deter feral/antisocial people like that. Still, fingers crossed I'm wrong.

Quite. The chances of catching a scumbag who is hiding in gardens and moving from one to another with several different escape routes is not very great with only a couple of plod available. Better swarm the place for a few minutes and have a decent chance of catching the offender, surely?

ED - NAGAIUTB Wrote in response to Nigello: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > So, how many officers would you expect it to take > to contain a suspect in a potential 'live' crime > scene? With numerous escape routes including the > park. > > I'm sure that like most keyboard warriors you > could have wrestled them to the ground single > handedly. I suspect that the reality would be that > you'd run off and then complain about the lack of > Police assistance. > > And for the record, the average burglar is a > career criminal with no qualms about doing > whatever it takes to evade capture. So going mob > handed is the sensible thing to do if there is a > chance of capturing them in the act. The last time > a burglar was caught locally and banged up, the > rate of burglaries dropped through the floor > overnight as they tend to be so prolific. > > Police bashing seems to be a theme of yours, if > memory serves. Buy the Guardian much..? Well said!

Went once - thought the service was less than adequate and the food wasn't great, although the tea was quite nice. That was a few years ago though - I never bothered going back as it just wasn't welcoming enough or good enough to justify a second visit.

Hooray! - we are finally getting the M&S. Personally, I'm glad the nimbys lost. Most of them will probably come round to liking it too.

They are left in a location which is different to that in which they were taken, so it's not that simple (the police wouldn't have a precise location to check). Also they are not necessarily left where they are to be found at a time close to when they were taken. There's also not that much CCTV in residential streets (not like a main road or high street). I think the best chance of catching him or her must be for someone to be suspicious/see someone they know with gruesome images or remains and to tip off the police, or for a member of the public to see something as its happening or as he/she is planning/hunting for an animal and to dial 999 as requested (not 101).

No officer, it's not my coat. I'm just bringing the coat over to give to someone here in Hannover. No officer, I don't think he's from Hannover. No, nor from London. Well, I think he's from Australia. No, I have never met him. Actually, he's the brother of someone I met who posted something on the internet about him having lost his coat. No, they are from London. No, I hadn't met them before but they seemed nice enough ... err, what are you doing with those handcuffs?!

No worries - no need for PM. I'm sure we all share the hope the sicko is caught in double quick time. It's likely the publicity will be beneficial - ED must have only a handful (if that) of police officers on patrol at any one time, but if large numbers of the general public are being vigilant when they are out on the streets (or people who know the offender may notice incriminating behaviour), then that must increase the chances of the person responsible being caught.

LondonMix wrote I absolutely agree with every word of this. mrsilencio Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry, but I'm not sure how giving the colour of > his skin is going to help in any way. It could > have been a completely innocent incident, so if I > tell you it was a short white guy then what, > you're going to hunt down white guys feeding cats > with malicious intent and ignore everyone else? We > aren't vigilantes here, and it is extremely > unproductive sharing what could be misleading > information. > > 101 took a full description and have passed it on > to the team dealing with it. They are the experts > here and will use it to help build a profile or > eliminate it as they see fit. If they deem it > useful information, they know where they can look > for CCTV footagr too. I have also spoken to > someone at SNARL. > > I appreciate this is an extremely emotive topic, > but let's be rational here. Vigilance is more > helpful than hysteria. I thought this had moved on, but as you chipped in, I can only suppose you haven't read the earlier post where mrsilencio gave an otherwise very full description (omitting only IC classification) - that is the weird part - why only leave that one fact out of an otherwise full/decent description which was plainly intended to let us know what that person's appearance was. Anyway, it's her/his call if he/she wants only to give a partial description - my objection was that the 'argument' advanced to justify it was entirely flawed and illogical. There was actually no need to 'justify' anything with a bogus argument - he/she could simply have said sorry I don't care to do give any more detailed ID description.

I for one certainly think you should have told us about what happened and applaud you for doing so (as was clear from my earlier post) - so that we can be forewarned with some information about location etc. It sounds very suspicious. You may (but may not) have seen the serial cat killer. Beyond that, your argument is weird (in the extreme). Based on your own reasoning you should have given no description - yet you gave an otherwise full description. It is the fact you gave an apparently full description but left out one of the most obvious parts of any ID description that is odd. That's up to you, but the absurd argument you advanced to rationalise not doing so is what I couldn't get my head around. But if you can live with that sort of (non) reasoning - that's cool. Good for you. Thanks again for the original heads up.

Your description said - "...he was late teens, early twenties, 5'8" - 5'9", skinny, possibly wearing glasses. He was wearing a dark coloured deerstalker type hat, and a baggy tracksuit top with light panels at the sides on the back. He was also carrying a large, empty Sainsbury's bag for life." So, if you added, "white" to that description, suddenly (you say) that could be "misleading" or "extremely unproductive", or maybe not "rational", but not otherwise. Rationally extending your argument, you are now suggesting that you think we might wrongly discount anyone who is not "early twenties", or anyone who is not "5'8"-5'9"", or anyone not "male", or "skinny"? (all part of your description). Why on earth is their racial background different to all of that? It's either all or none surely - your argument can't be that some description is fine but not the rest. That would be irrational. Anyway, thanks for posting the partial (albeit, as you now suggest, possibly very misleading) description.

So with the greatest of respect, why on earth did you give such a long description??!!! That's just weird.

101 will not get a quick response. The leaflet says: "If you see anyone behaving suspiciously with a cat, please call 999 (this advice comes directly from the police) immediately and report it. Likewise if you see anyone with a knife or bladed weapon, dial 999." Clearly the police would like to catch the person in the act/equipped to do the act/with a phone with possibly incriminating pictures on, so a 999 call is (with proper grounds for suspicion it is the offender, obviously) definitely the better and more appropriate way to go.

Sorry all, please bear with me while I poke my own eyes out... ...ahh, there, that's better. Please carry on.

What? He's going to change from white to black, or black to white?! A decent description having already been given, I think it is obvious that a crucial piece of ID description should be included and there's no real risk of 'tipping off' a master criminal leading to him trying to change his skin colour/shade.

It would be very helpful if you are able to finish of the description with his skin colour/appearance? If you are squeamish about the words, they are classified as IC1, IC2, IC3 etc. You gave a good description, but of course clothes. hats etc. (in particular) will/can change. Good work on checking this person out and for posting on here. Thanks

Definite thumbs up to James Barber for posting so quickly and offering to chase up.

Removal of any waste as a business requires a license. Parking something that stinky is clearly a public nuisance. Might well also be a criminal offence - depends of course on whether there is a licence and on all the other facts, but it is clearly wrong as well as anti-social. If it's a local business that's doing it, I for one would like to know so I can avoid it or even drop in to complain. The farm mentioned on the truck (Oak Tree Farm, Halstead, Kent) is listed on t'internet as an address for a waste company: J B Waste Management & B K Skip J B Trading (UK) ltd Oak Tree Farm Yard, London Road, Polhill, Halstead TN14 7AB 01959 534027 Household, Commercial and Industrial Waste T Stn, director of JB Trading is Mr John Buswell (I guess that's where the JB comes from?). No idea if that is who the truck belongs to though. Might be worth contacting them - it might just be an unhappy coincidence that the truck is full of waste and they are a waste company registered at the address on the truck - I suppose they might have sold the truck to someone else who hasn't painted out their details yet.

It could be seriously dangerous if it is butchers rotting waste. If you seriously think it is, I suggest a call double quick to environmental health dept. or to the police and get him nicked and cleaned up (if it is as you appear to suspect). Just the side of the truck looks pretty filthy to me! Fine if it's mud, but if it stinks like you say, it could well be crawling with serious nastiness.