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How is that sanctimony ????. When so many people are struggling to get their first home, and often being outbid by BTL investors, I thinks it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion.

Interesting. I think the article hits on a valid point in that simple messages that require no research or further reading (like denial) are more effective. It's why conspiracy theories grip people so easily. People don't feel they need to research for themselves and test the theory, because the theory is a simple one. The truth is often harder to piece together, and requires a deeper understanding of the processes, or science etc etc. And some people are basically lazy.

Travel is also expensive for those commuting into London every day to work. Season tickets costs thousands and those who buy them often have to stand on their journeys in as well. It's all just creaking under the cost and the demand.

Or the OP could just sell the home and give someone else the chance of owning their own home, instead of seeing all their hard earned wages going to pay off someone else's mortgage. That's an option too.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...not to mention the custodians of the country > and economy at that time Messrs Brown and > Darling...now where they from? Yes. because it never went wrong under Thatcher, Major and Lamont - oh wait!!!!

Louisa strikes me as more of a Harvey's Bristol Cream kind, with maybe a drop of Cinzano Bianco here and there. At her 'Admins Plesaure' does seem like a harsh sentence. Free Louisa!

You are talking utter nonsense Grok. Name me one place specifically that would lead to a riot if Police go there, go on, just one. And I can't think of any area in Peckham that is a no go zone either. Police on the beat have been replaced by Community Wardens. You will see them everywhere in Peckham. And before this government cut funding, safer neighbourhood Police teams could regularly be seen on estates. They were in fact, a very successful form of beat policing.

A bit like pinning your economy on just the city and property even ;)

London spy started ok, but then just got more & more bizarre. The burning maze had a bit of Carrie meets The Shining about it.

I thought is was rubbish from the beginning. Way too cosy and I just didn't buy the postcard nonsense and the tenuous link to extremism that wasn't.

That's on my list of books to read as it happens. I think he's a very interesting writer.

There's a really good book by Alain de Botton called 'R|eligion for Atheists' and he argues exactly that. That many of the traditions that emanate out of organised religion come from a place of genuinely trying to tame the more abhorrant aspects of human nature. To reject it all from a point of atheism is as foolish as to accept it all from a point of piousness

Thanks LondonM. You seem to know what's going on there.

I agree with the sentiment Louisa but am completely opposed to religious brainwashing of any kind. Having said that, carols can be seen as part of a tradition as much as the xmaas tree, santa claus and all the other festival traditions that have nothing to do with religion. Christmas and the harvest festival are based entirely on pagan festivals btw, and have nothing whatsoever to do with religion or Christianity. It's possible to promote peace to all men without ramming the fear of an afterlife into young children.

I don't know a huge amount about the US process but have a higher opinion of Americans than supporters of Trump display. In the end I think he will never be President and if it is a race between him and Hilary, expect her to win without too much trouble. He has always been a firebrand. Even his children, who seem to be smart and normal, have had to reign him in a few times because of the damage done to their businesses. Does he have the support of the religious right? Because that is probably the platform that will decide if he runs for President or not.

Yes he did. Half the problem is that the sands are always shifting (no pun intended) and it's hard for any party leader to navigate through that. That's why knee jerk reactions are never the right response. A lot of this also has to do with not letting Russia get a stronghold in the region as well. What frustrates me is that there are plenty of things that can be done to force the region to move towards stability. Turkey and Saudi Arabia are being allowed to do as they please, and in conflict to the wider pursuit of stability. But there is no political will to take either of those nations on. Turkey wants to become part of the EU as well - you have to be joking with the way they behave at present. I'd also like to know where a government that says welfare has to be cut by 12bn, suddenly finds 12bn to give to defence, on top of what will now be a higher bill for Trident. I think someone above did point that out, that we can find money to drop bombs, but we can't find money to keep the poorest and disabled away from destitution. That needs to be said more.

I know !

I'd add to that the conflict between those who think we must act now, and those who think we can act as it evolves. There's a clear split on action/ solutions by scientists themselves.

Yes I agree. People are more interested in reality shows than they are in the achievements of all the great scientists that have brought understanding to the world. Science has to find better and more effective ways to engage interest.

That's complete nonsense Louisa. The science isn't in dispute. The causes are where the debate is. Pumping millions of tons of greenhouse gas into our atmosphere, whilst deforesting and getting rid of things that absorb CO2 is only going to have one result. There are plenty of research papers on all aspects of climate change if you want to google and read them. As this extract from 'Ecological responses to recent climate change' says; 'There is now ample evidence of the ecological impacts of recent climate change, from polar terrestrial to tropical marine environments. The responses of both flora and fauna span an array of ecosystems and organizational hierarchies, from the species to the community levels. Despite continued uncertainty as to community and ecosystem trajectories under global change, our review exposes a coherent pattern of ecological change across systems. Although we are only at an early stage in the projected trends of global warming, ecological responses to recent climate change are already clearly visible.'

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah Blah I bet your mum would have spelled > vaudeville correctly in the Good Old days of > proper educashon You could be right :D

They also make excellent salted fish snacks :)

'ETA: Oh and while I'm nitpicking, it's exercise, not exorcise (further up the thread)' :D Yes that's my typo. Completely changes the meaning of that sentence reading it back :D oops! I don't see how there can be suspicion around such a huge majority Uncle. Bradford as that article points out was a marginal seat. What UKIP were trying to say is that muslim and asian communities were being told who to vote for by their community leaders, as though that somehow denied them the 10,000 extra votes they needed to beat labour. We keep seeing this with UKIP. The media hype up their candidates, but when it comes to the actual elections, they fall flat. Constituencies don't want UKIP MPs. UKIP are just a bunch of cry babies.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why do T.V. chefs have cameras in the backs of > their fridges. ? > They open the door and you can see them staring > at you.. > > Foxy Because the bacteria on the veg have eyes?

Yes I'd go for All Saints as they have Foodcycle there on Saturdays (today) making a free meal at 6pm. They will certainly be able to use it. www.foodcycle.org.uk/location/peckham-hub