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For goodness sake Grok, give it a rest. Nothing the OP said gave any impression of the sort. Most of us can tell from an accent if a black person is a first generation migrant or not. Some of us can even tell the difference in accents between different African countries. It's a perfectly valid observation to make, despite your attempts to accuse the OP of something other than the face value reason for posting. Would you say the same about someone referencing a white person with an Irish or Scottish accent? I suggest it's you who has a problem there, not the OP.

Except mitochondrial DNA says was are all out of Africa.

Not only a great story and great ending, but also a great example of how people can come together and help each other :)

Agreed Otta.

I too agree with Buddug. Grok, why do you deliberately set out to confront in unhelpful ways, behaviour typified by the following comment? "He was shouting at his child (she looks between 8-10). Hitting her on the back, and back of her head. Swearing and shouting she wasn't going to school. She was screaming every time he hit her and saying she wanted to go to school please Daddy. Who doesnt have to raise voice to kids sometimes? Hitting or pushing along? Smacking, slapping, punching? Tantrum screaming like all kids can or crying out in pain? Swearing bloody, flipping or other?" Most adults know the difference between acceptable chastisement and physical violence when they see it and no, neither my wife or I have ever felt the need to hit our children. The OP clearly reports abuse, the damage of which psychologically is well researched. The risks to hitting anyone in the head, let alone a child, are also well researched. But I shouldn't have to be pointing that out to you should I? Step back and think about what you are writing.

How this thread has deviated! There's very little subjective room for describing a grown man hitting the back of a child's head imo. How else could the OP have described that? And that the child was crying as he did it. Not really much room for interpretation there either.

I cycled through this yesterday for the first time, from the Old Kent Road and found it to be ok. Haven't tried it from the Walworth Road side yet. But I can also see how it is worse for driving and why there are tailbacks. And before the changes, cyclists had paths accross the central island anyway, for safe crossing. Doesn't feel like the right answer to the problems that existed before.

I think you've done the right thing. If the Police find them, they will automatically alert social services. It's quite possible they live in that vicinity too.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of cartoonists, they don't deserve to die for it. I think everyone can agree with that.

I took that line in the script to mean that the money was useless to him, the builder, because he wouldn't get away with stealing it. I could be wrong though.

How is that sanctimony ????. When so many people are struggling to get their first home, and often being outbid by BTL investors, I thinks it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion.

Interesting. I think the article hits on a valid point in that simple messages that require no research or further reading (like denial) are more effective. It's why conspiracy theories grip people so easily. People don't feel they need to research for themselves and test the theory, because the theory is a simple one. The truth is often harder to piece together, and requires a deeper understanding of the processes, or science etc etc. And some people are basically lazy.

Travel is also expensive for those commuting into London every day to work. Season tickets costs thousands and those who buy them often have to stand on their journeys in as well. It's all just creaking under the cost and the demand.

Or the OP could just sell the home and give someone else the chance of owning their own home, instead of seeing all their hard earned wages going to pay off someone else's mortgage. That's an option too.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...not to mention the custodians of the country > and economy at that time Messrs Brown and > Darling...now where they from? Yes. because it never went wrong under Thatcher, Major and Lamont - oh wait!!!!

Louisa strikes me as more of a Harvey's Bristol Cream kind, with maybe a drop of Cinzano Bianco here and there. At her 'Admins Plesaure' does seem like a harsh sentence. Free Louisa!

You are talking utter nonsense Grok. Name me one place specifically that would lead to a riot if Police go there, go on, just one. And I can't think of any area in Peckham that is a no go zone either. Police on the beat have been replaced by Community Wardens. You will see them everywhere in Peckham. And before this government cut funding, safer neighbourhood Police teams could regularly be seen on estates. They were in fact, a very successful form of beat policing.

A bit like pinning your economy on just the city and property even ;)

London spy started ok, but then just got more & more bizarre. The burning maze had a bit of Carrie meets The Shining about it.

I thought is was rubbish from the beginning. Way too cosy and I just didn't buy the postcard nonsense and the tenuous link to extremism that wasn't.

That's on my list of books to read as it happens. I think he's a very interesting writer.

There's a really good book by Alain de Botton called 'R|eligion for Atheists' and he argues exactly that. That many of the traditions that emanate out of organised religion come from a place of genuinely trying to tame the more abhorrant aspects of human nature. To reject it all from a point of atheism is as foolish as to accept it all from a point of piousness

Thanks LondonM. You seem to know what's going on there.

I agree with the sentiment Louisa but am completely opposed to religious brainwashing of any kind. Having said that, carols can be seen as part of a tradition as much as the xmaas tree, santa claus and all the other festival traditions that have nothing to do with religion. Christmas and the harvest festival are based entirely on pagan festivals btw, and have nothing whatsoever to do with religion or Christianity. It's possible to promote peace to all men without ramming the fear of an afterlife into young children.

I don't know a huge amount about the US process but have a higher opinion of Americans than supporters of Trump display. In the end I think he will never be President and if it is a race between him and Hilary, expect her to win without too much trouble. He has always been a firebrand. Even his children, who seem to be smart and normal, have had to reign him in a few times because of the damage done to their businesses. Does he have the support of the religious right? Because that is probably the platform that will decide if he runs for President or not.