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Eh what? This is bonkers. Just about the only thing I've done is refuted your arguments. The fact is that all the evidence exposes pro-gun ownership arguments for the fallacies they are. The bizarre thing is that people like you can actually put forward these arguments as if you actually believe them. It's absolutely bonkers. You've actually come to the UK, get this, you've actually come to the UK which has 10 gun deaths a year and claimed that we should have more guns to protect ourselves. Do you know how stupid that sounds?

See? More silly arguments. Your infuriated response is a reflection of the weakness that you try to camouflage with braggadocio. Because your position on having guns in the home is indefensible, you try to change the argument into one about having an army. It's just rubbish. By definition if you want to have a gun in your house you're a nutter. You only need to look at 10,000 people dying every year, and the fact that if you have a gun you're more likely to be killed by it than ever use it on somebody else. Since this is obvious, you must be a nutter to persuade yourself otherwise. I recognise the 'scenario' approach of your final paragraph. Really it's a form of masturbation. The ridiculous nature of the scenario is that, of course, the legislation to allow the home owner to carry a gun is the same legislation which means that your attacker is likely to have a gun. Given their intrinsic criminality, they're also more likely to use it than you. All you've done is escalated the situation and made it much more life-threatening. It's all a bit pointless of course - because the proof is in the 10,000 people dead. 10,000 a year, think about that. Think about the total over a few years. It's a tragedy that the 100,000 people that died over the last decade are no longer alive simply because of the ridiculous arguments that people concoct that essentially boil down to flexing your biceps in the mirror. It's tragic that you're prepared to sacrifice your family just for the sake of a hand shandy.

I guess that's what I expected Ricky. No sensible response, just butch posturing. The comment about Wikipedia is inane. Not only did I use the UN figures, but it's actually irrelevant. It is typical of gun nuts that you'd choose to ignore the 10,000 people dying every year because of the US's ridiculous position on gun legislation in favour of trying to score points on which websites people use. It's moronic. I can see that being a 'big man' is important to your sense of pride and self-worth. What you need to do is make that leap of imagination that recognises guns are for scared little boys, not big men.

It's just silly. Supporters of the right to bear arms construct wilfully daft arguments based on 'principle' as you have here. There are 10,000 gun murders a year in the US, and only 10 in the UK. If you wanted to 'defend yourself and your family', you would support gun legislation. In fact, you don't. The reality is that you are willing to sacrifice your family on the altar of your anxieties and ego. This reality must be very hurtful, and it may lead you to deny it almost pathologically, but it is nevertheless true. What you consider to be stregnth is in fact weakness. It is a tragedy of the US that this particular, almost pathetic anxiety is so widely accepted that you're willing to kill 10,000 people a year in support of it. Very sad.

I think if you want to rub along in the UK during your stay here, it would be wise not to address the locals as 'you people'. It seems that the majority of US citizens grew out of the desire to have a comfort blanket at the same time as they stopped sucking their thumb. As a grown adult I can understand that this creates anxiety for you, but really, it's for the best. Aren't you just a little bit embarassed by admitting to this? Whilst we're on the subject, isn't it rather silly for a grown man to put the 'rat' bit in Democrat in bold? I'd expect it of an eleven year old, but... please. ;-) All this 'pry it from my cold dead hands' stuff is for muppets isn't it? Real men don't need to walk down the High Street pushing their chest out at passers-by, surely?

Right wing ideologies tend to be individualist and authoritarian. In that sense it is no surprise that you are rejecting other people's views, and consider yourself to be the voice of reason. ;-)

This section is about ED. Local cakes can be discussed here. Petitions are not appropriate. This is gonna get lounged methinks.

*Sniffs and picks up the tea-towel. 'Can you water the plants, Vera?'*

Stuf you maxi. Its my dicshunry an I mka the rools. Ure ine.

nashoi gave me a belly laugh! Cheers to that! Did the Sun on monday really suggest that Duggan had been shot twice in the face?

Nothing right about me. I'm thoroughly evil. If anyone says anything different I'm going to despoil you with the moderate intellect, average prose and persistence that has made *Bob*, Jah Lush and Ted Max reserve a special place in hell for me. Snobs. What I'm going to do though is wait until they need a hand and be insufferably patronising when I profer it. That'll really crown it. In the meantime Fuzzy, get some balls ;-)

I think you'd have to go to unreasonable lengths to suggest the type of man who totes a gun on minicab journeys was a pillar of the community. I have a great deal of sympathy for children dragged into this world by the type of father who carries a gun on minicab journeys. I pity the family suffering the trauma of a disaster created by the type of man who carries a gun on minicab journeys. I have absolutely no doubt that this disaster was not the making of the police, but of the type of man who carries a gun on minicab journeys.

Some sort of cat litter racket going on here..? Everyone's cat litter goes 'mysteriously' missing, and suddenly Frank seems to have a surfeit of it, at a price. ;-)

Worth checking to see if your destination shop is open?

Jeremy Yates from Clapham: "I was in Clapham Junction when the looting was taking place and was part of a human barricade. About eighty of us joined together to stop them from going further into residential areas. One of them was shouting things like "you are rich, we are poor" and "we rule London tonight, not you." The scariest bit was when the police arrived and there was a stampede as about 200 looters ran down the street. Today I took part in the clean-up in Clapham Junction. It was like a civil coming together, a great atmosphere." Edited to add... he's got more balls than me!

I'm absolutely staggered by the people making stuff up on here to cause panic. What is wrong with them? Pack it in.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you left London in the last few years after > failing in your wannabe career, it would seem that > now is an excellent time to post on Facebook about > how you 'made the right decision'. Fortunately most of the expats I know have a sense of pride in the UK and a great deal of concern for their friends and colleagues caught up in this disaster. It would probably take a particular kind of person to capitalise on this tragedy to make petty attacks on others.

Josiehendrick, you're confusing inequality, which is a social and intellectual construct, with poverty, which is a lack of material or transactional worth. I don't deny there is inequality, but these people are in no sense 'poor' except by comparison with what is a very small national minority. In fact, by comparison with most of the world these people are inestimably wealthy. In not having to work, and probably not even perform household chores such as dealing with their own sewerage, they will probably be outside the imagination of most of the world's population. These people will have a complete expectation to be treated, for free, in hospitals created and staffed by the society they resent and set out to destroy. What they see as 'inequality' is an apparent challenge to their acquisition of a BMW, when their expectation is to be given everything for nothing. They see no challenge with looting shops, because they've probably never worked hard for anything in their life. They probably simply don't understand why anyone else would be aggravated with them for doing this. It's just a laugh, of no import.

Don't let Piersy sway you. http://mcns.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/chamberlain3.jpg?w=382&h=401

Piersy, did you ever see that 'Numbers' cop show, where they prove that the quiet spot in the middle is where the Mastermind is?

"social deprivation, poverty and inequality" Really? Ha! I've never heard anything so funny. The people in these riots are not from those groups. If they were in those groups they wouldn't have had the Blackberrys to know where to target. The real problem is that despite these kids having playstations, cool trainers and smartphones, it's just not enough. The UK is dominated by a culture of greed. A dirty insatiable greed that manifests itself in resentment and disatisfaction. A greed that rejects society and negates their personal responsibilites for their own lifestyle. These riots are fuelled by greedy solipsitic ingrates. I don't have a solution for that, and it probably isn't indiscriminate retribution. Wear a hair shirt if you want, but wear it because you lack the courage to create a society where personal responsibility is paramount. It's claims like yours that give credence to the activities of these greedy little shits.

Misunderstanding possibly Jeremy http://www.cutepuppiesforsale.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Boxer-Puppies-For-Sale-2-300x260.jpg

He has a bicycle though, and has been known to ride it on the pavement shouting when a bonus is on the cards. He only says it because he doesn't know our magical powers.

Ah right, Nette. I don't think we have anything to fear.

Gosh, I didn't see that, who said that?