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Oh dear Goldilocks... just continued gaslighting and we were all getting on so well. Data - made up figure and not a 'fact'. On my bit of road there is nowhere for the 28% increase to disappear as all the other roads are closed- how 28+20% (equating to more than 1000 vehicles) and 48% of traffic can just 'evaporate' when there is nowhere for that traffic to go - surely must give you a slight question mark on this made-up data? It is so sad that I can see the pro-LTN point of view, yet disagree and all you can do is gaslight my experience and my reading of the data. If a table of counts has no data counted in Sept 2019 - then no data was collected. Here is that table again. Pre-implementation Phase 1 and Phase 2 - no data collected in EDG central - it is very clear isn't it? Anyway - showing that no data was collected and therefore it is nonsense to keep hanging onto the only decrease on EDG -an outlier as ALL other data for the whole consultation shows increases in cars, motorbikes and HGVs is a pointless action by me as the Council and you seem dedicated to this one statistic generated by a 'guess'. I'm obviously used to far more rigour and critical analysis than both you and Southwark so here we must part ways in this particular line of thought.

I think we all want the same - less traffic, less car use, less pollution. I know I do and my ideas are far more radical than LTNs - I would certainly bring in a complete ban on fossil fuel cars and bring in policy of only having one car per household, plus road charging on all so called 'main roads' or residential ribbon roads as I like to call them. Also a huge investment on local public transport - small - green - very regular buses, with good spaces for heavy shopping and prams/buggies/bikes. Investment in free pick-up of large rubbish from the council - as it was before. We just disagree on whether LTNs reduce or increase traffic miles/pollution and social injustice.

I'll try again to find someone to call - it needs to be replaced or removed.

8000 over 3 years..slightly less than 3000 per year and slightly more than 57 a week so about 8 more bike rides across all of London.

Removing parking from closed roads - yes, but interested in how one would reduce that figure of 50-60 NOx on EDG? Any ideas?

Travel in London - published today. TFL 1.The standout feature is the relative increase in weekend cycling ? typically doubling relative to pre-pandemic levels, although with large variation, emphasising the increase in ?leisure? cycling. Weekday cycling shows a different picture, typically close to pre-pandemic levels. (What days of the week did Southwark measure cycling numbers?) 2.It is particularly important that air quality improves around schools and the number of state primary and secondary schools in areas exceeding the legal limit for NO2 fell from 455 in 2016 to 14 in 2019, a reduction of 97 per cent. (Is ED Grove School street still one of those with high pollution - likely considering the above WHO measurement of 56NOx)

Wow 56 that high - we measured above 60 - ED Grove is very polluted then. What was the PM2.5 and PM10 measurements - these are the carcinogenic and inflammatory pollutants that we don't want pedestrians with adult and children to breath in. Yet again oh closed road supporters - when are you going to start thinking about your neighbours on boundary roads - do I hear any support for policy to lessen traffic and pollution on our roads - I'm listening....

There was no count at ED Grove central in Sept 2019 - it is very simple, as the table shows. Can you possibly explain what a 'comparable' site is and also why 300 cars were added to the actual Jan 2019 count? I think this matters as the amazing and magical 20% reduction from 'actual factual data' is being twittered up as a positive 'result' by people living on nice closed roads. It is magical because it is a 25-28% increase at other sites on ED Grove (actual counts) and the HGV, Motorbike increases are huge - where did this 20% go?

Sadly the ground around the sports area looks a right old mess and the old netting falling off the old, but lovely original fencing just looks awful, Southwark very much took their eye of the ball on this one.

She is a bit busy being the WHO advocate for health and air quality at present, but yes we are in communication due to some shared experiences already. Southwark closed the 5 roads around ED Grove and they have a duty of care to their residents to measure the air quality consequences and to publish these before any consultation. As it stands a group of EDG residents have measured the air quality by self-funding, but these measurements are not 'official' measurement. So the 59-60 NOx figures (WHO - anything over 40 is a risk to health) are easily dismissed. What you need to ask yourself is 'why isn't Southwark measuring our air quality' ?

For those unable to find the table that shows no ACTUAL measurement in Sept 2019 on ED Grove Central - which is the only 'count' used as a baseline to show the magical decrease of 20% - so the figure is just made up. So not scrabbling around at all, no need as table is published. If you want to believe a made-up number then fine, personally I would much rather Southwark measures pollution on ED Grove - which it either hasn't so far, or it has and is not publishing. Where is the air quality data? That is the question all those who support road closures should be asking - rather than gaslighting their neighbours - maybe start supporting us on boundary roads who have to put up with extra traffic and pollution - why do you care so little about us?

As I said - it's all a distraction to stop us all demanding real political will to reduce dependency on fossil fuels and cars - because those Conglomerate Companies give a lot of money to the Tory party...so LTNs - perfect, nobody has to give up anything. Job done!

So even the January 2019 count wrong as not on ED G Central- thanks Goldilocks (so no pre-LTN Central EDG data at all!) - do look at the published count tables by the way - you also might see a big, big. big hole in the Council's conclusions. So adding 3000 cars onto one of the most polluted school roads in ED is a baby step and fine for you? Well I do know my neighbour with a new baby in a garden less flat on ED Grove was in tears at the traffic and pollution on ED Grove. I met her on her walk to her Mum's house to drop of baby so she could get the bus to her cleaning job and the air was awful. Baby steps - yep ok.

LTNs distract from having real policies that lower car use - it is a distraction and a barrier to real change. It will be used as an excuse not to have road pricing and mandatory change from carbon fuels. Those in leafy quiet roads will have no reason to ever support real changes. Closed roads give the impression that climate change is being tackled - with very little cost or inconvenience to those who benefit - in most cases a very white, wealthy, car owning cohort. That is why Johnson's man has pushed this idea - quite why Labour cannot see it for what it is - is beyond me.

Yawn... table showing counts - no count in Sept 19 on ED Grove Central - so a made up number. If you are going to plaster a 20% decrease on a new count of a long road all over the show - just to prove that closing Melbourne Grove is great for all of us - don't make up Sept 2019 data and use that as your pre-LTN baseline. Also weirdly - don't add 300 more cars to the actual count in Jan 2019 from your previous published measure in Jan 2019 which was also kinda, sorta..nearly near central ED Grove either. On this made-up number in Sept 2019- which had never been considered before, the 24hr restriction on Melbourne Grove was kept in place to make the MG residents 'happy' - nothing to do with hard data. Why was this new count made-up for this last consultation? Is it because the Council were going to only have timed restrictions on that section of MG near so called ED G Central - were Southwark more concerned about losing votes on MG than the pollution and traffic on ED Grove - do votes matter more than children lungs? Apparently so. Weird that made up numbers give a decrease of 20% and actual counts an increase of at least 25% of course that translates to 1000+cars more on ED Grove - I see the HGV has gone through the roof - again, there was not much work on Charter School in Sept as kids at school, so don't keep going on about more building work - it is diverted traffic from nice leafy roads. I can walk faster than the 37 bus down ED Grove - before the LTN I used to occasionally catch it if I was running late or the trains from Herne Hill were messed up, but not now, the bus time app hasn't been adjusted for the idling traffic down ED Grove. I do hope you all had a listen to WHY IS ANTI-ROADS CAMPAIGNER JOHN STEWART AGAINST LTNS? https://www.the-spokesmen.com/johnstewartltns/

Because I read the small print. As someone once said to me - do your own research.

20% reduction from an invented number - there was no count in Sept 2019, they invented a number, which is why the actual counts show an increase of 28% traffic and the invented pre-LTN count in Central gives a reduction. I'm so glad that none of these people work in medical research!

... central 'This is a new site for data collection, having started in September 2021' - so where is that pre-LTN data from...hmmmmmmm?

Had to cut sadly..

as shown here -sorry file too big

And....from Southwark again - a 28% rise in traffic..as I have said

How much clearer can you get than Southwark's own graph shown here?

'facts' ... the disappearing cars...and don't gaslight my eyes, ears and lungs please - yet again we are gaslighted for what we see, hear and breath.

https://www.the-spokesmen.com/johnstewartltns/

and where is the air quality data????