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I'm not sure of your point DKHB. I look out my window and wave to my neighbour across the road in her flat with her two young children, we see a line of idling traffic outside our flats. When we both go out to chat, the air smells of pollution and the traffic idles as far as we can see both ways, from LL to the crossing at Townley. Of course I should take the 5 minute walk up to the point count just outside the health centre - where miraculously traffic disappears before returning the other side. But thank you for the emoji which indicates 'hmmmm I think you are lying' it's not a very subtle way of calling someone a liar. Again, being personal and gaslighting - rather than considering policy and road conditions. I asked for a solution for EDG - maybe thinking about that and giving constructive suggestions would be far more helpful than emojis indicating that your neighbours suffering from pollution are lying about their daily situation.

I think many non-oligarch Russians that live in London do not agree with Putin, I'm not sure deporting them helps? Why would that stop Putin?

Idiotic policy...idiotic policy. So not even a group of individuals or an individual, but a policy. This is the difference. Stop making it personal and stop attacking individuals, it ain't classy it's not clever and it's really unpleasant. Meanwhile my road is very unpleasant every school morning. Any suggestions to stop this idling and polluting traffic?

I dislike any fundamentalist attitude and personal attacks are unpleasant wherever they come from. All I know is my road I live on and have lived on for 35 years has been ruined by these LTNs. Southwark Council a a whole has not consulted or acted in a way that gives me any faith in the Council. As for my local Cllrs they have always been polite, helpful and ready to discuss local matters. It's about a flawed and idiotic policy, with questionable data and obvious impacts on already polluted roads. It isn't about being rather unpleasantly personal about individual Cllrs - I would urge everyone to stop that sort of language and vitriol - please. I have already asked someone on another thread to remove a cultural slur, so lets try to keep to the subject.

One can only hope that the people of Russia and the actual Russian army turns against this dictator. Who knows what his end-game is?

Ha ha no I enjoyed it...reminds as all that diverted traffic is an issue!

I gave up...I used to enjoy my swim. Have no idea what is going on there now. Good luck with it.

There is no such thing as the 'square' it is a road junction and yes the vitriol towards a Cllr who questions and voices other views just shows where fundamentalist attitudes lead.

ED Grove just awful this morning...I imagine a traffic count would measure less cars past a point in an hour as the whole line is practically stationary from LL up ti DV, this is where Cllr Burgess is right - it is congested idling traffic that is the issue not the number of cars that pass a point. If we stuck 20 cars down Melbourne Grove and had them idling there for an hour - I wonder how much the residents would enjoy being told - well it's only 20 cars so it's a success!

Yes well done Southwark Council..neighbour against neighbour, in some sort of contrived street fight and we all want the same things really, peaceful places to live, less traffic, cleaner air, good public transport, safer cycling and walking routes, safer roads and green spaces to enjoy. Southwark has made this a place of the haves and the have-nots.

Well - that was weird.

I actually find the personal accusations of Legalalien 'stirring' and trying to 'provoke outrage' and 'creating things' the usual personal line of attack from those who dislike any inspection or analysis of data and output that requires much closer scrutiny. Hopefully none of these usual suspects teach children as I would not like the idea that questioning what one is told is 'fact', is accepted as fact without question.

If you look at the plans, the main entrance is specified at the chateau on EDG, you can view the plans on the Southwark Council website. There is a third entrance near the canteen on EDG, so three in all. Children currently play sports on the sports ground just next to ED Grove. I have no issue with school street closures that are timed. Children walk to school, get buses on and cycle down ED Grove to the various schools in this area. I am sure that a count of children walking to school or actively travelling is far higher on ED Grove than any of the other school roads, I wonder if Southwark have this data?

I like the sound of Cllr Burgess, yes idling congestion is more important than traffic counts. I think almost everyone understands that a large lorry outside a home sitting for ten minutes belching out NOx and particulates is much worse than 10-20 cars passing at 20mph. Of course a counter would see this as a drop in traffic from 20 to 1 and it would be claimed as a success by some.

It is a one point measure, it has only had one measurement and therefore change cannot be calculated. A point measure is not a stretch. All the schools have ED Grove buildings on this road, the main entrance for Charter will be on ED Grove when completed, the main entrance of JAGs is on EDG and it is the main route for children to travel. I would rather live in my 'ridiculous' questioning world than an appearance of blindly following dogma without question or inspection of skewed data. I have actually called for local PT, bike lanes, to keep school road timed closures and I support road pricing. Telling people what they think, calling them ridiculous and misrepresenting their beliefs is called gaslighting, it happens a lot on this subject.

1. Traffic hasn't dropped because this point measure is new in Sept 2021, so it is impossible to prove a drop at a single point on one count. 2. There are three schools on EDG 3. Two of Charter's entrances are on EDG and the sports field is 2 metres from EDG and the main entrance will be on ED Grove at the chateau if you look at the plans, does that mean Melbourne will open and EDG become the LTN? 4. Explicit means - stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, so nope 5. Through traffic means - traffic which continues on a road or highway rather than crossing onto a different road. all through traffic has been diverted, so the through traffic or diverted traffic is as you have willingly admitted now on EDG

Highlighting ridiculous accusations of conspiracy theory seems to have been lost in translation to those unable to intuit Spartacus's intent.

It has always been different, but shared on roads..now all the pressure is on one road..but we don't matter as we are second class boundary-roaders, so our lungs are not as important as those on side roads.

I see it's the end of half-term and I look out my window to see the 37 bus and an ambulance stuck in a long-line of stationary, idling traffic once again. Before the x5 LTNs forcing traffic to be funnelled down my high density residential school road, I never noticed the traffic being that different between term time and school holidays. Of course I will be told that I'm 'dreaming' this or it's my 'perception', even though I suggest my 35 years of living on the same road...might mean my longitudinal, observation is probably longer in years than some critics age and very valid. Maybe I'm so old that I must be a UKIP-ing, polluting, car-loving one of 'them'. Or maybe I'm a green issue supporting, social inequality aware, longtime campaigner and expert in cardiovascular and respiratory health...I'm sure someone will helpfully tell me what I think, who I am and what I really see, very soon.

"so not an early start that might inconvenience residents" ..... well God forbid...I mean they don't have traffic noise or pollution, so it would be awful for there to be any disturbance of their gated community...

I buy an organic veg box every week, but I also appreciate that these guys source amazing produce and work really hard to make it all look beautiful. I have lived on a small-holding and it's bloody hard work to pick or dig up that stuff.....and as far as meat ... killing a pig is no easy feat. That's all.

Have something booked that requires a longish car journey...and driving for the first time in 6 months...I may cancel :( and watch the wheelie bins take flight instead!

Thank you.

The primary function of quotation marks is to represent exact language (either spoken or written) that has come from somebody else, but I like the way you wrote 'then it most definitely must be true...' , which I deduce is a rather unsubtle way of intimating that I am lying. I think that says quite a lot and again embeds my view.

There is a pair of sparrowhawks that fly over Peckham Rye...mesmerisingly beautiful, you can hear then call to each other.