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I gave up...I used to enjoy my swim. Have no idea what is going on there now. Good luck with it.

There is no such thing as the 'square' it is a road junction and yes the vitriol towards a Cllr who questions and voices other views just shows where fundamentalist attitudes lead.

ED Grove just awful this morning...I imagine a traffic count would measure less cars past a point in an hour as the whole line is practically stationary from LL up ti DV, this is where Cllr Burgess is right - it is congested idling traffic that is the issue not the number of cars that pass a point. If we stuck 20 cars down Melbourne Grove and had them idling there for an hour - I wonder how much the residents would enjoy being told - well it's only 20 cars so it's a success!

Yes well done Southwark Council..neighbour against neighbour, in some sort of contrived street fight and we all want the same things really, peaceful places to live, less traffic, cleaner air, good public transport, safer cycling and walking routes, safer roads and green spaces to enjoy. Southwark has made this a place of the haves and the have-nots.

Well - that was weird.

I actually find the personal accusations of Legalalien 'stirring' and trying to 'provoke outrage' and 'creating things' the usual personal line of attack from those who dislike any inspection or analysis of data and output that requires much closer scrutiny. Hopefully none of these usual suspects teach children as I would not like the idea that questioning what one is told is 'fact', is accepted as fact without question.

If you look at the plans, the main entrance is specified at the chateau on EDG, you can view the plans on the Southwark Council website. There is a third entrance near the canteen on EDG, so three in all. Children currently play sports on the sports ground just next to ED Grove. I have no issue with school street closures that are timed. Children walk to school, get buses on and cycle down ED Grove to the various schools in this area. I am sure that a count of children walking to school or actively travelling is far higher on ED Grove than any of the other school roads, I wonder if Southwark have this data?

I like the sound of Cllr Burgess, yes idling congestion is more important than traffic counts. I think almost everyone understands that a large lorry outside a home sitting for ten minutes belching out NOx and particulates is much worse than 10-20 cars passing at 20mph. Of course a counter would see this as a drop in traffic from 20 to 1 and it would be claimed as a success by some.

It is a one point measure, it has only had one measurement and therefore change cannot be calculated. A point measure is not a stretch. All the schools have ED Grove buildings on this road, the main entrance for Charter will be on ED Grove when completed, the main entrance of JAGs is on EDG and it is the main route for children to travel. I would rather live in my 'ridiculous' questioning world than an appearance of blindly following dogma without question or inspection of skewed data. I have actually called for local PT, bike lanes, to keep school road timed closures and I support road pricing. Telling people what they think, calling them ridiculous and misrepresenting their beliefs is called gaslighting, it happens a lot on this subject.

1. Traffic hasn't dropped because this point measure is new in Sept 2021, so it is impossible to prove a drop at a single point on one count. 2. There are three schools on EDG 3. Two of Charter's entrances are on EDG and the sports field is 2 metres from EDG and the main entrance will be on ED Grove at the chateau if you look at the plans, does that mean Melbourne will open and EDG become the LTN? 4. Explicit means - stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, so nope 5. Through traffic means - traffic which continues on a road or highway rather than crossing onto a different road. all through traffic has been diverted, so the through traffic or diverted traffic is as you have willingly admitted now on EDG

Highlighting ridiculous accusations of conspiracy theory seems to have been lost in translation to those unable to intuit Spartacus's intent.

It has always been different, but shared on roads..now all the pressure is on one road..but we don't matter as we are second class boundary-roaders, so our lungs are not as important as those on side roads.

I see it's the end of half-term and I look out my window to see the 37 bus and an ambulance stuck in a long-line of stationary, idling traffic once again. Before the x5 LTNs forcing traffic to be funnelled down my high density residential school road, I never noticed the traffic being that different between term time and school holidays. Of course I will be told that I'm 'dreaming' this or it's my 'perception', even though I suggest my 35 years of living on the same road...might mean my longitudinal, observation is probably longer in years than some critics age and very valid. Maybe I'm so old that I must be a UKIP-ing, polluting, car-loving one of 'them'. Or maybe I'm a green issue supporting, social inequality aware, longtime campaigner and expert in cardiovascular and respiratory health...I'm sure someone will helpfully tell me what I think, who I am and what I really see, very soon.

"so not an early start that might inconvenience residents" ..... well God forbid...I mean they don't have traffic noise or pollution, so it would be awful for there to be any disturbance of their gated community...

I buy an organic veg box every week, but I also appreciate that these guys source amazing produce and work really hard to make it all look beautiful. I have lived on a small-holding and it's bloody hard work to pick or dig up that stuff.....and as far as meat ... killing a pig is no easy feat. That's all.

Have something booked that requires a longish car journey...and driving for the first time in 6 months...I may cancel :( and watch the wheelie bins take flight instead!

Thank you.

The primary function of quotation marks is to represent exact language (either spoken or written) that has come from somebody else, but I like the way you wrote 'then it most definitely must be true...' , which I deduce is a rather unsubtle way of intimating that I am lying. I think that says quite a lot and again embeds my view.

There is a pair of sparrowhawks that fly over Peckham Rye...mesmerisingly beautiful, you can hear then call to each other.

Aaah so now we are 'phony' ..do go on.. my view even more embedded on the 'gaslighting' have added 'phony' to 'anti-vaxer'. I walked up to The Village today.. the junction is a hot mess...I'm not sure any of it makes any sense. Just open it, so we can employ our intellect and energy on real measures to reduce traffic and pollution rather than this diversion side-show, sent to please and massage the guilt of the the multi-car owning, 2-3 million pound house owning, sending kids to private school, my cleaner drives to my house, green-washing Tory-lite, NIMBY, second home owning, I bought a nice house, I bought a bike, but only ride at the weekend and when its sunny to prove a point and my home is now it's worth a few more thousand quid types.

I don't remember saying 'someone said it'.. but do continue.

Aaah the gaslighting is strong on this forum we are like 'anti-vexers' now. Well done for embedding my view.

I think it would be interesting to answer though...there are many closed roads, so it will not identify.. I suspect it is a yes 'I do live in an LTN' and yes 'I have a large house, a car and a garden' and yes 'I drive on ED Grove', but of course it's a forum and we are all allowed some privacy..although someone recently did tell me where I was located on ED Grove...but got it wrong...so swings and roundabouts.. From chatting to some Melbourne Grove retail owners, I have been told that the local Councillors are ambivalent and the residents want them all to go and have one 'nice' coffee shop and no businesses that attract school-kids. Charming!

johnhinton...we are gaslighted and demonised for our experience.. Labour Southwark and posters on this forum taking our experience and our lives and twisting it. Indeed behaviour I would lay at the feet of those with privileged lives who want to 'other'.

You are correct Nigello, as ED Grove is a school road - the private schools generate a lot of the traffic. The state school kids seem to take PT, I suspect as they travel from a catchment area, but as Alleyns and JAGs take pupils from further away and possibly parents have paid help, there is a lot more transportation of children by car...and we are talking big SUVs. If I walk towards DH station I pass all the Charter School kids from the station and the bus stop, if I walk towards HH station - it is car and coach mayhem... I have given my very left wing solution..but apart from that I'm not sure how you stop the ferrying of kids to JAGs and Alleyns. They used to travel through some of the closed roads, but now of course the one parent, one child traffic now is funnelled onto ED Grove causing bus delays, idling traffic and pollution all along the road - except of course just outside TJ Health Centre where it all disappears in ED Grove's own Bermuda Triangle before emerging once more onto the road :)