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Sept 19 with the increased figure (read Champion Hill report saying there was a significant increase in traffic on EDG post LTN) is being used instead of the pre-LTN figure in Jan 19. Why is that....... It also was in a difference place 14 metres is not insignificant....my flat is many metres away from that data-point despite one poster deciding I practically live up that lamp-post!

It is more like 15% rise from a pre-LTN baseline if Jan 2019 data is less than Sept 2019 data - as Sept 2019 is after CH LTN that increased traffic on ED Grove by 20%.... The data produced to convince us that LTNs work, has given even more evidence that they do not reduce traffic on ED Grove and evaporation is a myth - thanks Goldilocks...excellent work.

So the Champion Hill LTN went in - and there was a rise in traffic outlined thus "The most notable increases are observed along Grove Lane/Champion Park (northbound), Camberwell Grove (southbound), East Dulwich Grove (westbound)'. Which is this 2019 data (which was not on the map point in Feb2021 as there were only 4 data sets). Now this 'Champion Hill' data is being used as the 'baseline'.... mmhhhhhhh I think this makes all the data even more suspect to be honest - I would like to know the traffic count pre-Champion Hill LTN please and any LTN please. Not a count after an LTN went in!

Now that is very interesting - when I interrogated this data-set in February this year there were only 4 data points from Sept 2021 and nothing before that point (CSV file records 4 data-points attached as downloaded in Feb). Now data has been added from 2019 as well as the newer data from this year...mmhhhhhh...one can only wonder.

?there wasn?t an ATC at that site prior to Sept 2021 as Southwark council itself states. Even the interactive ?dot? map of ATCs only has data from Sept 2021. I think our neighbour in the closed road needs to look again. As Southwark summarises in that sentence on the dashboard- it is a new counter from 2021 and there is no prior data.

Thank you EgyptianGooseRescuer, what a very kind person you are.

I think I'm living rent free in a certain posters head... but anyway, my flat isn't near Melbourne Grove where the EDG central counter is and something cannot fall by 19% when there is no previous data. Thanks for the info Bicknell - Lib Dem or Green for me then in Goose Green....I think Lib Dem based on this statement "We are concerned that the measures are not providing an overall benefit to the area and are instead leading to longer car journeys as people navigate the road restrictions, and pollution being moved from one part of the area to another, as seen through the unacceptable levels of congestion on Croxted Road and East Dulwich Grove, for example. As your councillors, we would fight to remove the current LTN measures in Dulwich and replace them with alternative, fairer and evidence-led ways of tackling congestion and pollution which would be co-created with residents and local businesses. We would want to see an independent third party conduct a fair and comprehensive consultation as to what those measures should be, which puts residents at the heart of decision making on this issue.?'

Do we know where the goose is being cared for? Is it a charity? Do they need donations?

I regularly have to e-mail Cllr McAsh about food rubbish uncollected from the Dutch estate.. after the foxes have hauled it across the road, it is finally dealt with days later. James always gets onto it quickly though.

Road traffic in London dropped by 18% from pre-Covid levels...so 92% also signifies a rise......it should be nearer 85% if the general traffic drop is considered. LTNs only reduce traffic on closed roads, evaporation is a fundamentalist myth. No study shows a drop in pollution and traffic out-side of the general drop in traffic due to Covid-19. There is absolutely no evidence of any drop in NOx and PM2 due to any LTN intervention. Walking is still the most 'active' type of travel, cycling has declined since the height of the quiet Covid Summer and buses have been cut, with longer journeys at peak times on residential main roads. Fail.

The goslings were juvenile stage and they were such good parents that even one will probably get them through to adulthood. Sadly Egyptian geese mate for life and can live for 25 years...so I hope that the parent survives.

?Traffic has been rising across Southwark since the end of the 2021 COVID-19 lockdown, and was at 92% of pre-COVID levels in November 2021 at count points in the north of the borough, and above pre-COVID levels on the TfL network near Dulwich.? Direct from Southwark Council heatmap info. Doesn?t appear to support the myth that LTNs have reduced traffic across the Dulwich area... if it says above .... that?s ABOVE...

I?m not opposed to LTNs ?on principle? but I have not seen any published evidence that they reduce car use or pollution in this area and the fuzzy data, although flawed and with dubious use of statistical methodology- shows that traffic on my road, outside my flat has risen by over 20% ... as observed. The only fundamentalists here are the individuals that cling onto the failed LTNs in this area, in the hope those impacted by more pollution just go away and shut-up, so people on quiet closed roads, can enjoy the rise in house prices and freedom from the rif-raf. Next move will be gated communities USA style.

I watched children playing cricket on the sports area 2 metres away from very busy traffic on EDGrove midday this week. All that green-washing about school routes and excuses to keep roads closed is a joke.

I think in the garden part dogs are supposed to be on a lead? But I only see dogs off leads in that part. I love dogs and good owners know how to control their dogs...but they can get excited around other animals. I?ve watched the geese for a couple of years now, great parents and the goslings are very sweet. Owners really do need to engage their brain. After this event I think the park will have to insist that dogs are on leads in the garden section?

Oh no...they had 4 goslings and then 3... they are such wonderful parents. I know it's lovely to see your dog bounce around the park..but please on a lead near the lake. I'm really upset about this.

Direct from the latest StreetSpace Southwark Council.

?No data collected for East Dulwich Grove Central prior to September 2021? is quoted directly from the Southwark Council site. The webpage with this information on is in my post - so the source is given. Constantly attacking me is tiresome.

Oh look.....20% more traffic on East Dulwich Grove.... well obviously I wasn?t making it up! https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/streetspace/traffic-data-analysis Oh and also I was correct in this too ?No data collected for East Dulwich Grove Central prior to September 2021?

Party been going on for 3 days in ED Grove quite near us....I suspect today is day 4....not sure the council can do anything about a gathering with music that starts after 9 and stops before 11:00 in a private garden..... unfortunately...

The Home Office has now admitted that the proposed legislation, which is due to go back to the House of Commons this week, in fact contains no provision to provide safe government-backed routes for asylum seekers. A letter dated 5 April from Home Office minister Tom Pursglove to the humanitarian charity MSF UK directly contradicts Patel by stating that safe and legal routes ?do not form part of the bill?. So Patel lied to Parliament...

Ahh but it is more important that the Village is made more ?villagey? I?m enjoying the school holidays ...ED Grove feels as it did before the LTNs for a few weeks...

Thanks legal - interesting articles. I think it's important to educate oneself and then take a view. Mine agrees with 'rapid change in wealth distribution and power structures, preventing a rich elite from perpetuating a self-serving ideology', but that doesn't mean I'm right. Maybe that's why XR camping on the Rye for two weeks doesn't bother me. My council tax goes on all sorts of things I don't agree with (LTNs) and others I have no use of... quite happy for it to be used to pay for port-a-loos for two weeks.

Great article on medium joon, thank you for posting.

I would prefer an independent- but I think it will serve the train commuter crowd. Watch out for those 'healthy sandwiches' they are full of fat! yummy but high calorie.