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The 'dashboard' is 4 months old...it probably will never be updated and pollution and traffic monitoring will cease as now apparently the pro-LTN closed road lobby have 'won' and 'victory' is theirs. I return from a break, to my road and immediately have an asthma attack... glory be the Unicorn of evaporating traffic on ED Grove.

If people had bothered to ?dissect? the effects of thalidomide, or the Bristol TGA switch surgery many deformities and deaths may have been avoided. Why wouldn?t anyone want data scrutinised.... seems very lazy and rather dim to me.

It would be interesting research to find out why people might drive a short journey rather then walk/cycle/catch a bus. In medicine we usually try to understand why something is happening before flinging 'cures' at the problem. Maybe Southwark could fund that research? As I say... my friends scattered around South, East and North London do not drive in London, but I know a few people in ED who drive short journeys - one to JAGs sports centre (prob a 20 min walk) and one to Sainsburys (I personally like to walk through the back via Greendale). I would like to know why they make that choice. I think the thread should stay, sadly EDF may go anyway :( and we may have to put up with the Troll - who by the way I do not think is in anyway representative of any pro-LTN campaigners or supporters - and maybe we carry on thinking about where we go from here to actually improve the environment and lives of all residents in this area.

Context is all "In 2020 there was a sharp decline in average miles (-33% to 4,334 miles), trips (-22% to 739 trips) and hours travelled (-27% to 269 hours) compared to 2019, all having the lowest on record during a year when the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic resulted in restrictions on people?s travel."

My friends don't drive at all in London and don't own a car..I'm not sure they even have a licence.. in fact I'm struggling to think of any of us driving in London.

Across the Uk ...this is correct, but the mean average is a poor statistical method of looking at behaviour and is in isolation of local factors. In rural areas there is very, very poor PT. Try living in Lincolnshire without a car! In Dulwich/ED there has been a very high amount of active travel locally for years - the issue here is schools really. I'm not sure the conversion rate of local car journeys to active travel will be high in DV/ED because so many of us already choose walking - why? Because except for those horrid congested hours in the morning, it's a lovely place to walk, just a shame that me, kids going to schools have to walk in a car fume fog.. E-bikes are a brilliant way to travel, but rural areas really need an investment is buses/ trains. Maybe kids who travel actively or by PT pay lower fees than those chauffeured to school in the Porsche Cayenne or the BMW X7... in these times I find spending 100 grand on a car pretty disgusting, especially when parked illegally on EDG with the engine running..

I have been to Oystermen... everything was tooooooooooo salty, we sent a salad back twice because it was like drinking seawater, but I intend to give Walter's a go. At least they might not charge us for an undelivered beer as Franca Manca did the other day... compounded by blaming the Uber driver..

Thanks admin? an insight indeed. So not to labour this, there is a quote from Dulwich/E Dulwich Streetspace that the latest TFL data is showing traffic in the ED/ Dulwich area rising to pre-pandemic numbers, which seems to make the other piece of information that traffic has now dropped by 21,000 (not really been given across which dates or exactly where). So apart from my quantum theory, can anyone explain?

Unfortunately LL is going the way of Dulville Village..as long as a place can entertain a quick meal for the kiddies in buggies and their exhausted parents, it thrives in mediocrity. Kartuli is great, different and excites me every time I go there and some of the cafes further up have some good breakfast/lunch choices. Oru space is great but is breakfast and lunch. Franklin's still holds it's own. Franca Manca and Yama Momo have dropped in quality. The curry houses are all just curry houses. God I long for some food experience that is better than the food I can cook at home... The adults have left and it's just an extended nursery as far as I can tell.

There was a golden age of restaurants and cafes - independents on the Lane... now there is only one I would recommend. I think ED may have eaten itself. Dulville Village restaurants have always been awful... good for a month and then just poor as people put up with mediocre. My view of course...others may rate many institutions.

Yes legal..I agree. I will look that book up.

It isn't gaslighting (which refers to the act of undermining another person?s reality by denying the environment around them, or their feelings), but I do agree with you.. I actually think if some of these actions were enforced a little better, so parents parking on double yellows, pavements and in no parking zones..cycling on pavements and speed restrictions that would all be great. I would urge everyone to push for better pollution monitoring though.. and for improved PT.

Ha ha... I know, it's a break from marking dissertations... You know EDF is great isn't it. A historical document of neighbourly irritation, acts of kindness and lost cats!

First mate..I told you "quantum traffic count" can be both increased and decreased, and in two places at once. But yes - can someone really explain to us...please?

'I have no idea what you think and I really wouldn?t like to see inside your brain, or anyone else?s, to discover what they?re thinking. I only have your choice of words which have created an impression.' Well I suppose one could listen to Rahx3 when they say impressions and perception do not matter - only facts, I don't actually agree with them by the way. Well in the spirit of neighbourly love, I apologise if I have given you an impression to make you think I hate, dislike or think anyone in this thread is an enemy, despite me having a differing opinion to them. i have told you what I am thinking, I don't consider anybody to be my enemy or foe, in fact I believe that ignorance of oneself is the only enemy, and the uncontrolled emotions that arise from that ignorance.

the trouble is it isn't a case of 'However it has to be forced - people have to see that walking or scooting for 5 mins to school is better than sitting in a car for 10 mins and it takes time for that to penetrate' Local active travel is incredibly high already in Ed DV. Because they do walk and cycle to school if living close by - Charter school kids almost all by PT - it's the wide catchment area of certain schools and I'm afraid to say certain demographic of parents - large BMW, Volvo, Mercs bring the precious ones to Alleyn's and JAGs. I pass them parked on Half moon Lane - park car, get precious one out with scooter and do the last 4 mins by 'active travel' or the pavement parkers on EDG with the engine running for the air-con in Summer and the heater in Winter.... Charter School kids know what a bus is...

Exdulwicher Road pricing seems a great idea, until one starts to think about inequality, so like ULEZ the rich will be able to drive and the less well off will not, so there is an inequality issue. I suppose if tied up with really excellent public transport. Ideally public transport entirely paid through taxation so free at the point of use, then the very wealthy would pay more tax for a free at the point of use service? Everyone will jump on that bus! I wouldn't have any private schools - that would immediately get rid of that one, so all children go to excellent local, publicly funded schools, in the meantime take charitable status away unless 80% of children come by PT, coach or active travel. And stop digging up fossil fuels.. But then I'm a very green, very lefty, lefty.

So Jenjenjen - 1. I do not think you or any pro-LTN activist is my enemy, but you tell me that is what I think. Do you not consider that to be trying to get me to question my own reality? 2. I would not use the word 'Victory' as in the post from pro-LTN Duncan in the post above at 11;12am as I do not think their are any enemies ('Even if the forum continues, which I hope it does, there must come a point when this dialogue across its many threads becomes redundant. You would think that point would have been the overwhelming victory of the pro-LTN councillors in the election last week.. but maybe we need to allow a bit of time for the reality to settle in') 3. Are you going to help other neighbours on the non-LTN roads to pressure Southwark to monitor peak pollution, be guided by the recent WHO clean-air quality guidelines and come up with solutions to reduce congestion and pollution on these residential roads 4. I am interested in your views about LTNs, opposing or otherwise about air quality and monitoring of pollution, in fact anything to do with LTNs in East Dulwich, but posts about what you think I think isn't quite the same..is it Many thanks back.

No the language I use is not describing anyone as my enemy, but that is what you are telling everyone and me. In fact when I say I don't think you are my enemy, you come back telling me that is what I think. It is classic gaslighting and again -well done for such an excellent example. Maybe if there had been a referendum and the LTNs were proved to be unpopular by the majority and I had claimed 'victory' over my pro-LTN neighbours - I think you would have a very strong justification to say that I thought my pro-LTN neighbours were my 'enemy'. I think that the pro-LTN policy that the Dulwich and ED LTNs reduce traffic and pollution remains unproven and that on my road and Croxted it has in fact contributed to increased congestion and pollution at peak hours, that has increased from pre-LTN times. I would like congestion and peak pollution levels NOx, PM 2 and PM 10 measured in Charter School sports ground, Tessa Jowell grounds and along EDG. I don't think my neighbours are my enemy, I would just like them to help other neighbours on the non-LTN roads to pressure Southwark to monitor peak pollution, be guided by the recent WHO clean-air quality guidelines and come up with solutions to reduce congestion and pollution on these residential roads - how about it Jenjenjen?

First mate - having asked my academic colleagues in quantum theory - this case of 21000 less cars while car volumes have increased in Dulwich/ED is a case of Schr?dinger cat state paradox, so a "quantum traffic count" can be both increased and decreased, and in two places at once.

Actually Jenjenjen, I don't see them as my enemy, but I do think some posters do live in an LTN, but not all. You see by putting your words in my mouth you are manipulating what I say to get me to question my own reality, memory and perception. Thank you for giving both myself and Waseley an almost textbook example of gaslighting.

Mmmh I don't drive any children to school, because I don't have any .. and yes school buses and car sharing, but as the majority live outside of ED and don't give a s**t about residents on EDG they drive. Opposing view - great, love talking to people with different views and have changed my mind about many subjects in my 50+ years on this planet. ?gaslighting? to refer to a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is trying to get someone else (or a group of people) to question their own reality, memory or perceptions. So I say my road is now more congested than before the 5xLTNs in my 35 years of living on the same road and you say........ your reality, perception and memory is false. I think the cap fits.

The trouble with the raised crossing is the number of skip lorries going down EDG - they travel quite quickly outside of rush hour and make a sound like an exploding bomb...don't wish anymore misery on us please! They also do not work - the fatal accident involved a raised area...so no, it certainly does not improve safety. The markings on the road (with the exception of the post accident ramp warning signs) have not been re-painted for at least five years..... the road has not been resurfaced for over 30 years...it is pot-holed and cracked along the length.

The honesty at last was for your comment, it was not relating to any other comment you have made in the past (it relates to me asking for some 'truth' from people who have gaslighted me - that does not include you). So apologies if that is what you thought. The local elections were not a referendum on LTNs - many people voted Labour as a signal to Johnson about their disgust of Tory policy, many of my neighbours who hate the LTN traffic on EDG voted Labour, despite being very much affected by the additional congestion and pollution. Crowing over 'victory' in terms of pro-LTN neighbours are winners is as I say offensive in my eyes - you have a right to offend and I am allowed to be offended. I think that considering those adversely affected by LTNs might, just might be a far better take on the situation. Something like - yes the LTNs are here to stay, now what can we do to help people living on EDG, Croxted and LL... rather than 'Victory!' meaning the overcoming of an enemy or antagonist .... which my friends who are nurses, teachers, care-workers, cleaners and retired are not.

I agree Angelina, that's why I walk and take public transport for all my local and London journeys. Unfortunately having schools that have a catchment area outside of Southwark let alone Dulwich and a very poor PTAL in the same catchment means that parents drive very large cars and park illegally on EDG, in bus lanes, on double yellow lines and on pavements - when driving one child to Alleyn's, JAGs and although Judith Kerr is a smaller catchment, the number of parents who drive their one child is hugely impactful for both Half Moon Lane and local traffic - and this is the issue - active travel in ED and DV was always high, the traffic issues are car users outside of the borough and some parents inside the area. LTNs have not made any difference to these people, apart from some of the car driving parents returning to a leafy house outside of this area.... and probably campaigning to keep their LTN on their gated road. So much hypocrisy in this discussion.