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It’s not a ‘square’ its a junction, but if closed to vehicles - Either bikes can transit, with no sitting area or pedestrianisation or it is a area where people might sit /walk and bikes can’t transit, so cyclists have to dismount. Having both is going to lead to someone getting injured. I walk and take public transport and the main danger for me is cyclists and scooters ridden by adults and children on the pavement, I’m not young and my eyesight is a bit dodgy, I’m usually carrying books, files and a heavy laptop, so can’t move as quickly as I could. This autumn so far, a child hitting my ankle with their scooter and a cyclist forcing me onto the road and a one forcing me against the wall under the pedestrian only tunnel at HH station. Yes more cycling, yes more cycle racks, yes more cycling lanes, but please keep off the pavement.

No problem with ULEZ expansion, but I have issues with poor research - it’s ridiculous that they selected the LTNs where NO2 fell or didn't change, whilst ignoring the two Highbury LTNs where NO2 went up significantly (up to 35% worse and 42% worse) on boundary roads. Cherry-picked research, would not hold up in a clinical trial and considering this is actually a life or death matter - the standards should be equivalent.

Aaah yes this piece of research. OK, so some roads inside LTNs (closed to traffic roads) were counted as boundary roads outside of LTNs and the pollution levels measured on these closed rds , was proclaimed as pollution levels on a road such as Lordship Lane or Croxted Road equivalent. The ‘controls’ were the same ‘controls’ the local authority had to write an apology for in an earlier piece of research. When I have time I’m re-reading the whole article, but it already looks even with poor data points not significant and flawed.

I think it's best that those people who can only afford housing on the South Circular should have more traffic..it's only right that those in 'nice' neighbourhoods where people can afford expensive houses, with off road parking and nice gardens should have less traffic... look, let's face it those individuals are more likely to suffer health inequality anyway, so it's not going to make that much difference. Oh look at the lovely square and all the little (white) kiddies on their bikes.

And again.. not conspiracy. A mix of incompetence and careerist enterprise. If Liz Truss can become PM -then any of these individuals can float to the top.

At least 1 in 20 is what I said and was conveniently ignored ... but where it is positioned on EDG Central (the 'poster-boy' of the success of 'reducing' traffic on ED Grove central) it will be higher as cars slow down and stop on that exact point on EDG - do go see it for yourself. The detail - Where cars only shuffle forwards a couple of car lengths at a time you will not count 25 per cent of the cars (that’s one in every four), in milder congestion where cars move forwards 10 car lengths at a time you will miss five per cent of vehicles (one in every 20). Just to throw in another euurgh point - surveyors sometimes use a filter when generating a report so it also leaves out the slowest moving traffic below a certain speed, but I cannot say if Southwark also added this extra dimension. By the way, the research bounced around by the HTN purveyors - such as Walthamstow Mini Holland scheme - all have used the double-tube system.....

Yawn o’clock… ooh the ATCs are accurate….. ooh they are not accurate but that doesn’t matter…… ooh they prove traffic has dropped in ED Grove central…..ooh EDG Central is exactly where cars stop to turn into the Health Centre but that doesn’t matter…. Ooh prove your figures even though the ATC is in the worst place for accuracy…. You know.. as I say the LTNs are here to stay despite them not actually providing any of the benefits they supposedly give so called ‘boundary rds’ or as I like to call them HTNs as provided and designed by this local council. Go do your own research and find your own links, it’s all out there. I’m bored by the ever changing rationale for these ridiculous gated, elitist roads.

The tubes in ED Grove central ( which is not in the centre of ED Grove) are placed just where traffic turns across the opposing lane to access the Health Centre… leading to stationary traffic frequently during the day. In fact the stationary turning point is on top of the tubes. ED Grove bring the magic disappearing point of traffic. Some reports suggest 1 in 20 cars are missed per day at least.

Well LTNs are here to stay despite the terrible burden of extra pollution and traffic for us less entitled residents but best to contact the company that manufactures these ATCs, in short in stop – start congestion, the machine software needs four pulses (in a short period of time) to be able to group these together and call it a car (or lorry etc.) so if a vehicle stops between the strips or bridging the strips’ the pulses made by this vehicle are not grouped together and the pulses are ignored going either into a random hits bin or an unidentified vehicle bin, neither of which are counted in a report. Also Enfield court case -

Explanation from the company that makes the pneumatic tube ACT as used by Southwark. The equipment, which relies on two rubber tubes strung across the road, is recommended to only be used in FREE FLOWING traffic. When you introduce congestion, and vehicles stop with their wheels between or bridging the tubes, or they do not travel over the tubes fast enough, the vehicles are simply not counted. Preparing a report with a 10km filter from this raw data increases the number of vehicles not counted. 🤔

Something that might annoy you even more is the ATC (traffic counters) you see on ED Grove and Croxted Rd, that are used by most councils - the ones with the double pneumatic tubes........................ cannot register a vehicle that travels less than 10 kilometres per hour. So the slow moving traffic, polluting both roads is undercounted..... hence the magic disappearing traffic on ED Grove, despite us seeing traffic and the dodgy numbers. This ‘evaporating’ traffic we can all see and hear and smell is not counted if idling below 10km per hour. Ta da.........well done Southwark

Nope...

Give your money to a homeless charity, not a tree for some of the wealthiest people in this country. Soooooooo entitled it makes my eyes bleed.

If you think being financially and organisationally inept, was a barrier to becoming an MP or a head of communications for a property developer, then you haven’t been paying attention.

No it wasn’t used as a vaccination centre. It was retained to become part of the school. The delay was due to Southwark and the school’s mismanagement and errors in budgeting and planning. It’s a good thing they ripped up the physic community garden to make room for the 12 month delay. The garden that Southwark promised ED Grove residents would be kept as a community asset… never, ever believe anything this Council tell you.. ….in a few years they will be MPs or working for one of the property developers that have been awarded contracts. It’s historically a Council that acts as a long interview process for a future lucrative career. Residents who have lived here for 40 ish years have witnessed the revolving door of shame from all political spectrums 🤢

Also lots of chatty starlings today - do they ever appear in a murmuration in the area?

ED Grove residents have lived with the mess, noise, dirty netting and HGVs delivering building material for years now. Southwark and the school need to get this project completed and give the residents a break. I also note the main gate will be on ED Grove - does this make it a school street? Can we have it closed to vehicles every week day from 8:00 to 9:15 and 3:00 to 4:00 then please? As that is the 'excuse' for closing half the roads coming off polluted and ignored ED Grove.

This is what our MP sent to me after I asked a question “My understanding is that the council made a decision earlier this year to permanently close the southern end of Calton Avenue to traffic and this decision will not be revisited as part of the current consultation.” Is this accurate?

The problem is that the rationale for LTNs being implemented has proved false, as side road traffic has not increased - it has now been admitted by TFL the ‘increase’ was a statistical exercise. Meanwhile cycling had been increasing pre-LTNs and the drop in car traffic due to Covid enforced home working that has now generated post Covid home working have both been used by Councils to ‘prove’ LTNs’ increase cycling and decrease traffic. At the same time, real data produced by independent bodies that implicates badly planned and conceived partial road closures - erroneously labelled LTNs, as the causal factor for polluting and idling traffic on residential school roads - is hidden from the public and is such an inconvenient truth for Southwark Councillors, that TFL have also lost their patience with the Council. I think as long as residents are impacted by pollution, dangerous traffic, noise and future road closures that are not wanted by the people living on that road, which will impact surrounding roads, it seems wise to keep the subject alive and not just roll-over and allow stupidity and cover-ups to reign without any exposure or counter-argument.

It’s very dangerous for cyclists on and pedestrians crossing ED Grove today as the temp traffic lights are not coping with the volume of traffic and cars are becoming stuck in the counter-flow and frustration is causing U turns and some less than sensible driving decisions- take care. I will email one of my Councillors... but I’m not sure they are too bothered as there isn’t an election coming up,

"time to move on" how very Boris Johnson...... No, as long as traffic pollutes residential main roads and Councils implement changes by being untruthful about mandated policy.. moving on is a poor and pathetic option.

There are about 3 holes dug up on East Dulwich Grove and temp traffic lights...the holes have been holes for 4 days with no obvious activity at all. So now diverted traffic and buses from this road closure plus the temp lights are making life awful for residents.. not sure Southwark Council gives a flying **** about my road..but avoid if you can.

Maybe next they can melt down Three Perpetual Chords and turn them into occasional tables and some nice bike racks? Do you begin to wonder what really happened to Two Forms (divided circle) ?

I thought the pavilion was an amazing piece, it would have looked great in Dulwich Park as a permanent feature. I thought the furniture was a bit ‘meh’, but my partner liked them. I’m really sad to now hear that this amazing piece has been broken up and now sits as ‘furniture’ in the square of southwark’s shame. It’s all a diversion from actually dealing with pollution and traffic on residential & school roads which is impacting the health of residents and school children, living, walking and cycling on these roads.

No need to imagine the cost over the last 5 years put in an FOI request. I'm not sure about the design or look...but I don't really care, much more bothered about the polluting traffic on Croxted, EDG, LL and the flawed data and lies used to put in useless LTNs the have not made any impact whatsoever on pollution levels and traffic miles in London at all.