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The 'research' used differences in differences, which has been dropped by many researchers due to it falsely indicating a 'trend' from very small differences in very small study populations. The researchers chose this method, one has to wonder why. Using a more acceptable methodology would have not resulted in any significant differences in bike, pedestrian and car accidents in non-LTN London Boroughs compared to LTN Boroughs. It wasn't peer reviewed. Research doesn't have to go through peer review, unless it is published in a peer reviewed publication. The poster was actually a local residents petition, already with 600+ signatures on.

‘Impartial’ academic .... I’m not a fan of the Torygraph but you can’t head up ‘’research’ on traffic and pollution and say you are ‘impartial’ while doing this...also, strange behaviour?

I’m sure there are unpleasant people in many aspects of life but really? Let’s just keep to the thread rather than than going back nearly two years ago when someone leaned a placard against a wall and some stupid youth on a moped was abusive and unpleasant in a cafe because he wanted to ride his moped through a closed road. Once an old lady kicked my dog... all old ladies are animal haters... jeez! I will be writing to James anyway about safety issues on ED Grove, I’ll also ask him about the pledges about traffic and pollution on Croxted, ED Grove, Grove Vale and Lordship Lane and report back.

Aaah ok - it all makes sense now. Well I'm all for easy access bikes and electric bikes, but they are creating a hazard for partially sighted residents, wheel-chair users and people with mobility and balance issues. I might contact some disability and access for all pressure groups and ask them to lobby Southwark Council to pick up bikes obstructing pavements - maybe the parking team can remove and impound? https://bikebiz.com/lime-to-collaborate-with-london-cycling-campaign/amp/ lime bike -LCC 'partnership'

I didn't say anything about opponents of LTNs being silenced. I said 'Those on here seemingly arguing against local residents discussing this on a local forum' as you can see by the individual above, who is desperately trying to get this lounged. This discussion is about many things including Cllr McAsh's response including the subject I am alluding to 'he would look at the issue of bus delays on LTN boundary roads like Croxted Road, Dulwich Common (the South Circular) and East Dulwich Grove'. People vote for many different reasons - I am a Green Party member and vote Green, I don't agree with every policy but for most of the policies. I was never tempted to vote Tory despite agreeing with one policy - my neighbours voted Labour despite having anti-LTN posters in their windows. It was not a referendum on LTNs, but I think you know that. Why does Clair and Ian and Nish 'bang on' about LTNs still, because they walk their kids down Croxted Rd every morning, despair at the slowness of the number 37 bus or have to close all their windows in 30 degree heat because of traffic fumes at afternoon 'rush' or idle hour as I like to call it. I know that LP council will never remove LTNs - so not worth campaigning on - a lost cause. But we are allowed to campaign on making our 'boundary' 'sacrificial' roads safer, more pleasant to live on and easier and safer to travel by bus and foot on - Is that OK for everyone ?? mmhhh?? The Centre for London stated - Recognise the sacrifices Change will always disadvantage some people, even as it helps others. Denying this - in either the engagement or the launch phase - will simply cause distrust. It's usually better to acknowledge that some people will be worse off in some ways as a result of any change, and, where appropriate, to thank them for accepting a change which will make things better for their neighbours I don't want to be thanked - I want Southwark to do as they promised in their manifesto

I’m also glad someone is at least listening, if something can be done about the appalling traffic every morning on Croxted and ED Grove that makes bus journeys awful and pollutes these roads used by 100s of school children - who walk past idling traffic at the most congested time of the day, then that must be a good thing. Those on here seemingly arguing against local residents discussing this on a local forum, or who seen to think this problem doesn’t exist are either very selfish or conflating their beliefs about people like me who think the unmentionables have made a negative impact on the health of ‘boundary’ rd residents. We all realise that they are unlikely to be removed, so please let us residents on these congested roads discuss on the forum how Southwark can improve the lives of everyone who lives and uses our roads. It’s not a conspiracy, we are not car-loving-anti-vax-global warming-denying-Farage-loving-motor-heads, we are not a homogenous group of labels, there are teachers, artists, academics, nurses and from all different political persuasions and perspectives.

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I'm not sure anyone in Calton Ave has given up their 2 cars per household, and the cars on EDG every morning aren't 'local' they are travelling through to get onto the South Circ or driving SUVs and Range Rovers here from leafy areas to drop of Dougal and Tasmin to the posh schools. Us locals walk, bus, cycle and train.....and it's a 'mare every morning.

1. Percentages are misleading - if traffic pre is 50 cars and is reduce by 25 cars - 50% reduction. If traffic is 1000 cars and increases by 20% - 200 cars. Oh look traffic decreased by 50% on road A but increased by only 25% on road B - it's a success! -Not. They should publish numbers not percent. 2. It's not a rumour or a conspiracy theory - ATC's that use pneumatic tubing are terrible at measuring traffic that is slow - the company itself MetroCount advises not to use in slow moving traffic. Extra traffic at school times is crawling on Croxted and EDG - so these figures ar dodgy 3. Croxted and EDG residents were promised by Southwark that they would look at traffic, pollution and bus journeys - they have done absolutely zilch, nothing, nada. Whatever one's thoughts on the 'not to be mentioned' it is good news that someone on the Council is listening to concerns of pollution, safety, bus journeys and traffic on these roads, why would anyone not want residents on these roads to also benefit from better solutions?

PT includes trains, tram, tube, bus and public bikes. Just putting air-con on buses makes a huge difference. Make it cheap, clean and cool in the Summer and I imagine a shift. The ‘is no way’ is a bit defeatist?

It is possible to have clean, quick, accessible and cheap public transport that people choose to use rather than drive. There just isn’t the political will, with the exception of the Green Party. The Labour Party just seems to chop and change depending on whatever a focus group decides. Electric bikes are brilliant we looked at the VanMoof - loved them but so pricey. But they are not for pavement riding, neither are push bikes. My eyesight isn’t great in half-light and my partners balance isn’t great after several seizures and it’s like an obstacle course some mornings.

Aaah ok. Thank you.

Really bad non- moving traffic on ED Grove at 16:40 ish … is this normal all the way down from LL to Herne Hill or has something happened? I haven’t walked up to LL at this time for a while so don’t know. Lots of cars doing U turns and terrible polluted air on my walk.

If only - I have seen a Lime Bike van dumping them all over the pavement....videoed it and sent it to Southwark Council. It's a business not a Green Charity. No care or responsibility to the local residents.

It's a fact that the LCC had far too much input into 'redesigning' road space in London. At the same time as key figures in LCC (white/male/straight/able-bodied/middle-class) were putting out some very dodgy messages about certain ethnic groups. Anyways... the people excluded from these discussions were disability groups, residents, TFL and the London Ambulance Service - so what does that say about who was prioritised and who wasn't. Disability and impairment doesn't come with a badge, pass or equal access and this Government is planning to take even more access, funding and benefits away. If you want less reliance on cars campaign for buses to be funded centrally, more bus lanes and more local bus services...otherwise your commitment to less car use is just mealy mouthed, feathered guff.

I know I just wanted to appear as ridiculous as our feathered friend 😉

It’s ok Mr deflecting Chicken is fine. So let’s all stop complaining about air and noise pollution on school/ resedential roads and the disruption to buses - the main form of transport for many women, mum’s, people with disabilities and the least well off in our communities. As long as white, middle-class men can cycle freely then the planet is saved from its imminent demise due to fossil fuel use and greedy corporations. LTNs and cyclists have saved the planet - hurrah!

So that’s great for you and bikes are a brilliant form of green transport and great for your health. Quite how your experience of how great it is for you addressed the terrible toll on bus journeys for others I mentioned is something you appear to not address.

Ahh interesting info Legal- sort of back to LTNs, I travelled back home by the no 37 bus today. I usually take a train to Herne Hill and walk. I haven't really taken the 37 around school/ rush hour ish at 4:00 -5:00 - at all post LTNs as I tend to WFH or travel back around 14:00 or after 19:00. The bus was mainly women with children, women, some school kids, a few elderly and some people with disabilities - I would say racially diverse and probably more POC than the make-up inside LTNs in ED. The bus journey once it hit EDG was hellish - compared to the occasional journey the same way, I can honestly say it crawled. The bus driver being kind was letting people off anywhere so they could walk - I guess they are used to this crazy bus journey. Buses are so important to reducing car use and for people to travel in an efficient and 'green' way. Yes cycling and walking should be encouraged, but it's not a choice that can be made for some.

Well actually their statistical analysis and the narrative around the data manipulation is pretty poor. I spend a lot of the time grading qualitative and quantitative research in submitted thesis at this time every year, I’m not sure I would pass this study even at an undergraduate level. Some very simple mathematical application is deeply flawed and figures ‘massaged’ to give a bias to discount the null hypothesis.... which they fail to actually state. They should go out of their way to prove LTNs do not xxxxxxxx and prove the null incorrect, instead it’s.... what we call a bit ‘floppy’.

Do not have speed humps...they do not reduce speed but they will create noise and pollution. There are other measures...traffic islands or road changes. You will regret a speed hump.. trust me on this one.

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It was always a Tory policy, just look what streets were closed.. Calton Ave, Court Lane....making nice leafy roads nicer and house prices higher. It certainly looks as though the Labour Mayor has looked at the data, spoken to Rosamund and understands that this was greenwashing the concept of roads for the rich and roads for the poor with a negative overall effect on idling traffic and bus routes.

A white van just dumps them on the pavement. I watched them dump 7 on East Dulwich Grove yesterday on the pavement. Not in any sensible or designated area and on one side making access difficult.