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I’m happy with CPZ, my only issue is not enough pay as you go/ point of use for tradesmen and casual parking. My friend picked me up to go to a funeral yesterday and I had to pay for a whole day guest park. Some provision for park by the hour and plumbers/electricians and drop off needs to be factored in more seamlessly.

I’ve given up...I’ll join some other leisure centre..

Indeed Firstmate, cllrs should meet and be fair and equitable to all residential lobby groups and no special preference should be given to one group. As far as I can see, OD has a wide stretch across the borough whereas CAD is a few residents who live off roads that branch off ED Grove, who are very committed to not having traffic on their road, but not too fussed about dumping it on their neighbours- Just my opinion based on minutes from council meetings going back to 2019....I won’t link as this thread isn’t about the past. Anyways, let’s hope that cllr McAsh can involve his energy into tackling pollution, traffic and noise on Croxted, ED Grove, LL and Grove Vale and also look at ways of preventing any more accidents on these school rds and possibly fixing poor paving and poor road markings and signage. The roads in LTNs seem to have new paving, road tarmac and furniture.....the high residential density/school rds are very poorly looked after.

DKH - gosh, a lobby group based in ED/Dulwich has some supporters that have a PR background and some Tory party members in it - how shocking! I think they mapped all the residents that signed up here - https://www.onedulwich.uk/supporters It's quite extensive - maybe Clean Air Dulwich should do the same - or would that be a couple of dots in a couple of roads/groves just off ED Grove and a dot in on a crescent just off ED Grove.

Thanks Rockets - as I say I'm not sure what DKH had as their 'data' below. I was guessing it was the Council meeting? Who knows what below means - as much clarity and veracity as a pneumatic ATM in a traffic jam. 🙃

And you fall into the LTN at any cost playbook...wilfully misrepresent my view. I’m not ‘objecting’ to any issue. Your ‘data’ isn’t ‘data’ it’s you alluding to two people who have represented views at Council meetings, yes they are Conservative members and did stand for Council...so what?

DKH - Does that count as ‘data’ as in the same way heterozygous secondary data garnered from tertiary sources counts as ‘research’ in Dr. Anna Goodman’s article on accidents in LTN boroughs and non-LTN boroughs? I'm in favour of CPZ and ULEZ myself, I only dislike interventions that cause more pollution on high density residential streets.

Any data to say different?

Clean Air Dulwich claims to represent a group - has met with Cllrs on many occasions but isn't a group at all. Born from a resident or two who wanted their road closed...and in the end after lobbying certain Cllrs got their rd closed. OneDulwich represents many people from many political persuasions, I imagine a much wider group of people than Clean Air Dulwich... or Clean Air For The Few as we like to call it. I don't know how one can claim impartiality when actively seeking for their own road to be closed...but anyway, I think we should leave Dr. A. Goodman out of this thread and concentrate on improving our residential boundary roads in terms of pollution and the bus route times.

They are indeed two very different people, but I don't think such personal abuse is called for.

Who runs Clean Air Dulwich? Well I do know actually and they do not live on a boundary road...but I think all this ‘who runs’ business is not the point. The traffic on certain so called ‘boundary’ roads is unacceptable as these are also resedential roads and school roads. Bus routes have been affected. So if a pressure group can gather information, look at research and apply some review of methods and statistics that have not been peer reviewed in the academic research published, then that is a good thing? No one should be reticent at having their research or methodology reviewed and it’s vital that our public transport systems are not negatively effected by interventions.

The 'research' used differences in differences, which has been dropped by many researchers due to it falsely indicating a 'trend' from very small differences in very small study populations. The researchers chose this method, one has to wonder why. Using a more acceptable methodology would have not resulted in any significant differences in bike, pedestrian and car accidents in non-LTN London Boroughs compared to LTN Boroughs. It wasn't peer reviewed. Research doesn't have to go through peer review, unless it is published in a peer reviewed publication. The poster was actually a local residents petition, already with 600+ signatures on.

‘Impartial’ academic .... I’m not a fan of the Torygraph but you can’t head up ‘’research’ on traffic and pollution and say you are ‘impartial’ while doing this...also, strange behaviour?

I’m sure there are unpleasant people in many aspects of life but really? Let’s just keep to the thread rather than than going back nearly two years ago when someone leaned a placard against a wall and some stupid youth on a moped was abusive and unpleasant in a cafe because he wanted to ride his moped through a closed road. Once an old lady kicked my dog... all old ladies are animal haters... jeez! I will be writing to James anyway about safety issues on ED Grove, I’ll also ask him about the pledges about traffic and pollution on Croxted, ED Grove, Grove Vale and Lordship Lane and report back.

Aaah ok - it all makes sense now. Well I'm all for easy access bikes and electric bikes, but they are creating a hazard for partially sighted residents, wheel-chair users and people with mobility and balance issues. I might contact some disability and access for all pressure groups and ask them to lobby Southwark Council to pick up bikes obstructing pavements - maybe the parking team can remove and impound? https://bikebiz.com/lime-to-collaborate-with-london-cycling-campaign/amp/ lime bike -LCC 'partnership'

I didn't say anything about opponents of LTNs being silenced. I said 'Those on here seemingly arguing against local residents discussing this on a local forum' as you can see by the individual above, who is desperately trying to get this lounged. This discussion is about many things including Cllr McAsh's response including the subject I am alluding to 'he would look at the issue of bus delays on LTN boundary roads like Croxted Road, Dulwich Common (the South Circular) and East Dulwich Grove'. People vote for many different reasons - I am a Green Party member and vote Green, I don't agree with every policy but for most of the policies. I was never tempted to vote Tory despite agreeing with one policy - my neighbours voted Labour despite having anti-LTN posters in their windows. It was not a referendum on LTNs, but I think you know that. Why does Clair and Ian and Nish 'bang on' about LTNs still, because they walk their kids down Croxted Rd every morning, despair at the slowness of the number 37 bus or have to close all their windows in 30 degree heat because of traffic fumes at afternoon 'rush' or idle hour as I like to call it. I know that LP council will never remove LTNs - so not worth campaigning on - a lost cause. But we are allowed to campaign on making our 'boundary' 'sacrificial' roads safer, more pleasant to live on and easier and safer to travel by bus and foot on - Is that OK for everyone ?? mmhhh?? The Centre for London stated - Recognise the sacrifices Change will always disadvantage some people, even as it helps others. Denying this - in either the engagement or the launch phase - will simply cause distrust. It's usually better to acknowledge that some people will be worse off in some ways as a result of any change, and, where appropriate, to thank them for accepting a change which will make things better for their neighbours I don't want to be thanked - I want Southwark to do as they promised in their manifesto

I’m also glad someone is at least listening, if something can be done about the appalling traffic every morning on Croxted and ED Grove that makes bus journeys awful and pollutes these roads used by 100s of school children - who walk past idling traffic at the most congested time of the day, then that must be a good thing. Those on here seemingly arguing against local residents discussing this on a local forum, or who seen to think this problem doesn’t exist are either very selfish or conflating their beliefs about people like me who think the unmentionables have made a negative impact on the health of ‘boundary’ rd residents. We all realise that they are unlikely to be removed, so please let us residents on these congested roads discuss on the forum how Southwark can improve the lives of everyone who lives and uses our roads. It’s not a conspiracy, we are not car-loving-anti-vax-global warming-denying-Farage-loving-motor-heads, we are not a homogenous group of labels, there are teachers, artists, academics, nurses and from all different political persuasions and perspectives.

Mice

I'm not sure anyone in Calton Ave has given up their 2 cars per household, and the cars on EDG every morning aren't 'local' they are travelling through to get onto the South Circ or driving SUVs and Range Rovers here from leafy areas to drop of Dougal and Tasmin to the posh schools. Us locals walk, bus, cycle and train.....and it's a 'mare every morning.

1. Percentages are misleading - if traffic pre is 50 cars and is reduce by 25 cars - 50% reduction. If traffic is 1000 cars and increases by 20% - 200 cars. Oh look traffic decreased by 50% on road A but increased by only 25% on road B - it's a success! -Not. They should publish numbers not percent. 2. It's not a rumour or a conspiracy theory - ATC's that use pneumatic tubing are terrible at measuring traffic that is slow - the company itself MetroCount advises not to use in slow moving traffic. Extra traffic at school times is crawling on Croxted and EDG - so these figures ar dodgy 3. Croxted and EDG residents were promised by Southwark that they would look at traffic, pollution and bus journeys - they have done absolutely zilch, nothing, nada. Whatever one's thoughts on the 'not to be mentioned' it is good news that someone on the Council is listening to concerns of pollution, safety, bus journeys and traffic on these roads, why would anyone not want residents on these roads to also benefit from better solutions?

PT includes trains, tram, tube, bus and public bikes. Just putting air-con on buses makes a huge difference. Make it cheap, clean and cool in the Summer and I imagine a shift. The ‘is no way’ is a bit defeatist?

It is possible to have clean, quick, accessible and cheap public transport that people choose to use rather than drive. There just isn’t the political will, with the exception of the Green Party. The Labour Party just seems to chop and change depending on whatever a focus group decides. Electric bikes are brilliant we looked at the VanMoof - loved them but so pricey. But they are not for pavement riding, neither are push bikes. My eyesight isn’t great in half-light and my partners balance isn’t great after several seizures and it’s like an obstacle course some mornings.

Aaah ok. Thank you.

Really bad non- moving traffic on ED Grove at 16:40 ish … is this normal all the way down from LL to Herne Hill or has something happened? I haven’t walked up to LL at this time for a while so don’t know. Lots of cars doing U turns and terrible polluted air on my walk.