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It is teeny... and it will be gone in a couple of weeks....whereas very rich people making lots and lots of money by polluting lakes, rivers, sea and sky will continue year on year until the earth is rather exhausted. I quite liked their 'green-washing' demo at Lloyds - maybe we can do the same for green washing at a local political level...

This would be so much better than LTNs for these estates. One way systems are just as likely to discourage car use ?if? you believe the ?inconvenience will make traffic evaporate? argument. One way will then allow local bus routes and a ?hard? cycle lanes. Court is a perfect LL Village route and Calton a great route for a bus that can then stop at Village Schools, Alleyn?s, Charter and then go down Elsie dropping school kids off before entering Grove Vale...then up to the station around Sainsbury?s and back around again.

Rather than LTNs maybe one-way roads and the local green bus..with seed funding from the 6 million. Townley to Village via Calton could be one way with a local green bus, bypassing other routes. Making journeys shorter by public transport seems a good way to encourage use.

Suffragist Millicent Garrett Fawcett, believed that non-violent campaigning would lead to constitutional change. Mainly upper-middle class 'respectable' women campaigning through petitions and the lobbying of MPs. Six years later - no vote so...came the suffragettes..a number of women across the country became frustrated with Fawcett's moderate campaigning style. Emmeline Pankhurst, who had been a member of the Manchester suffragist group, believed it was time for direct action by working-class women who would use any means necessary to secure the vote. "Deeds not words" - the motto of the Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU) she created in 1903 - summed up their tactic of demanding, not asking, for their rights. None of us want our lives disturbed...I have tea booked at the Royal Lancaster tomorrow, so a demo in Hyde Park will be very annoying if it prevents me from getting there...on the other hand .....Climate Change, famine and mass movement of displaced people.

Well that?s not quite right, if you read the thread some people support and some do not...not sure it?s hostile. I think that it will be an interesting few weeks and it will be a good opportunity for locals to chat with people with the same world view or a different world view, the Rye will survive two weeks and all of us actually. They seem a very committed group of people who obviously care about all our futures....so maybe we can collectively give them a break whatever our thoughts.

Instead of LTNs which divide communities and benefit some at the expense of others... this, partly funded by the Council, could have brought communities together and would have been an alternative mode of local travel rather than private cars. https://thebiglemon.com

I?m quite excited myself, I fully approve of their mission, I?m more involved in Medact, but XR deserve our support.

I like XR - I even think I'm on their mailing list if I recall - The Friends of Dulwich Square would love a small encampment .. 'the perfect place for an after-demo pitstop...ice cream & doughnuts, a place to enjoy spending time with friends...'

rah x 3 with the same old..maybe people oppose LTNs because they want less pollution and traffic on their roads rather than the requirement to drive on any road....if you want less cars, go talk to the people who own multiple vehicles on Gilkes and Calton. I'm happy for all private cars to be banned in the whole of Southwark! Not sure the second home - Range Rover owning - gated road living types would agree..

People with money will just use Uber and those without will have fewer choices...the decimation of bus services is bad for the environment and terrible for the least well off....I wish campaigns for active travel would spend a little more of their time campaigning for clean, cheap, reliable and accessible public transport for those less able to walk long distances or cycle, whether due to very young children, mobility and yes......choice. Only the relatively wealthy seem to be allowed to have choice in this world.

Alice - It will be on Understanding Society's YouTube channel at some point - so you should be able to see if East Dulwich LTNs are mentioned.

Number 40 and now the 12... maybe some of that 6 million from fines could be invested in a locally run service.

On East Dulwich and Dulwich LTNs - can someone confirm this information I read on Twitter that on Croxted Road - SCOOT data indicates weekday morning congestion has increased by 100% at peak hours since the LTNs? Is there the same SCOOT data for ED Grove pre and post East Dulwich LTNs?

I agree ab29.. I walk and take trains, I drive only to visit friends and family in Devon, Gloucestershire and Lincolnshire..about 3-4 times a year, I would rather take a train but it?s too expensive for us and connections are awful. When visiting NHS sites in London I always get public transport and often walk up to two hours a day, because I am still mobile. Yet..... I and my neighbours and CYP walking to school now suffer worse traffic and pollution, so multiple vehicle owning LTN supporters can live on a quiet traffic free road. Marvel at the car storage roads of Melbourne, Derwent, Gilkes and Calton...have a walk down these roads and calculate yourself the number of vehicles per household. Maybe all closed roads that benefit from a traffic free road should have all private cars (with the exception of BB holders) banned completely.... I wonder if support for their closed road would soon dissipate? It is plain hypocrisy and we all know it.

There are are a few houses in Village Ward portion of EDG that are expensive... but not down my ends, in Goose Green Ward - flats and terraces, my neighbours are school cleaners, delivery drivers with kids, some young couples and friends renting very small garden-less flats. Over the road converted flats with 3 flats per building. Very different from Court, Calton and Gilkes.... ED Grove also has schools, a health centre, a nursery and is a bus route - what a stupid plan to divert more traffic down this road. LTNs are not a proven method to reduce pollution...in fact even Southwark council admits that traffic and pollution may rise on so called boundary rds like EDG...that?s why they promised pollution monitoring.... So where is the NOx and PM pollution readings at peak traffic? What are CYP breathing in as they walk to school?

Ha ha.....what fools we are. 🤣

It was also freezing, the snow was very pretty... but then I read that homeless deaths in the UK have increased by 80% since 2019 and felt quite sad.

LTNs do not discourage car use, there is no evidence published. (Aldred measured car ownership, not the same as a car use). There is evidence from WHO that efficient, reliable and cheap public transport reduces car use in the urban environment.

Buses are great...clean, efficient and accessible.

Even with the extra money announced by the government analysis by the Campaign for Better Transport shows there's still almost 1,500 zero emission buses missing from the Government's 4,000 target and a remaining 66% of the current fleet - more than 25,000 buses - to convert to low emission. LTNs and the very narrow focus on cycling is a Tory diversion to stop us all concentrating on the main polluters of the environment and the real solutions to encouraging less car use. The oil industry is big money for many wealthy investors and the Conservative party and green, cheap, efficient public transport is the answer to less car use. Labour Councils enabling Tory Central green-washing policy - I have no issue about voting them out. If you really want solutions - follow and support https://bettertransport.org.uk https://www.medact.org/get-involved/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw_4-SBhCgARIsAAlegrVP_iTUQ_ArTFTPWdx4rQl9Kz7WYDWca0GLMrRZ_Ea6ZpcVP9oNBVoaAq-aEALw_wcB

Frivolous car use....what does that actually mean? But no I don?t think condemning people whose circumstances are unknown to me helps.

More than half of Londoners use the bus at least once a week. Research shows that people on lower incomes, people of colour, women and younger people, rely on the bus more than anyone else. But of course Southwark Council ignores this and cycling is the only measurement that matters..... No plans for bus lanes, no plans for local green buses - but LTNs implemented that slow down bus journeys and leave buses idling in stationary traffic - just consider Croxted - next it will be bus lanes swapped out for cycle lanes. It's time for this Council to be voted out.

Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities, and Chair of the Labour Party concerned that LTNs will cause problems on arterial road bus routes, so writes to halt LTN implementation until bus routes and Government cuts to bus routes reversed and then LTNs reconsidered. Also concerned about residents opposition and cost of removing failed LTNs. It also seems that some Oxford City Labour Councillors are far more in touch with the people in their area that rely on public transport, unlike Southwark Labour Councillors. Although Labour generally getting its knickers in a right twist over LTNs as some oppose on the grounds of social injustice and some support .... although Lord knows why. Maybe for the same reason 13 Lambeth Councillors live in LTNs and 3 live in roads about to be made into LTNs....my question is how many Labour Councillors in Southwark live in an LTN?

I imagine locally voting Tory in the Village and LibDem in ED/Goose Green is the best way to shake the arrogance of the incumbent Council, but it still makes me sad that the Labour Party I supported for over 50 years has implemented Tory Central policy.

Just consider the other thread about train service from ED Station - say's it all really.