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2nd order of the same product - posted 11th Dec, arrived yesterday - we now have 3rd and 2nd order waiting for the 1st.....

It is crazy that bus routes are planned for cuts in services, while wealthy streets full of SUVs, Mercedes, BMWs and Range Rovers, with multiple car ownership are given a gated road. The local Labour run Councils in London should hang their head in shame for adopting this green-washing policy. Encouraging people to walk and cycles has nothing to do with closing roads - walking and cycling, or travelling by bus on so called boundary roads (or high density residential school roads as I call them) during the busiest time for pedestrians and cyclists is appalling and for residents the pollution is criminal.

This is great too - It's called Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud! Excellent video If only - I spent ?4000 on acoustic glass for my flat to prevent traffic noise pollution - doesn't stop the vibrations from traffic, but at least it's less horrific!

Sorry forgot link Doh! http://www.ukna.org.uk/uploads/4/1/4/5/41458009/the_bottom_rung_winter_2022.pdf

A good article from the charity campaigning against noise pollution - Noisy neighbours and air-traffic came top in London. The recommendations for 'neighbourly' noise are. ? Police should be given equal statutory powers to local authorities for dealing with noise complaints and should set up a non-emergency hotline for noise complaints. ? Noise at night regulations should be brought into effect from 10pm instead of 11pm. They also say "The utterly frustrating thing is there are viable solutions to most noise problems but they are not being taken up"

One of the Chairs of Newham Labour Party - who has just resigned and left the Labour Party, gave one of the reasons as the money being made out of local people. "Luxury Flats spring up at unaffordable prices and the housing waiting list grows. Perhaps the final straw for locals was the report in the press of the Newham traffic camera netting a profit of ?5.2million a year. So much for people at the heart of everything we do" If only some of our Local Labour Party members were this honest and this brave.

Friend ordered a Christmas gift for us..wasn't deliver, ordered again..wasn't delivered...ordered again..was delivered this week. Both previous items were sent out by the company, my friend only had to pay once, but the company has lost money on two items that I assume are at the bottom of a pile of 'back-log' items?

A. These are not Southwark Council Counts (by methods not disclosed) B. You need to read a little more carefully - as your own copy and paste of my post indicates the 2019 data from TFL is there at the beginning. Considering the inaccuracy of assuming this data is generated by Southwark Council, when I indicated it was from TFL data and your misreading of my post. I wonder do you work for Southwark Councils data and information department?

And yes I did notice traffic worsened, when Southwark re-jigged the Townley- Greendale-ED Grove crossing years ago making ED Grove traffic worse and now they have closed roads making it terrible. What new horror will they impose from high next?

TFL data for Southwark Traffic miles all vehicles in 1993 - 528.5 Traffic miles all vehicles in 2019 - 527.4 Traffic miles all vehicles in 2020 - 436.6 10 years ago a benchmarking change occurred for minor roads, then again in 2018/2019 DOT The previous minor road benchmarking exercise was undertaken in 2008/9 so in 2018 and 2019 a larger sample of minor road count points were surveyed. These data have been used to recalibrate minor road traffic estimates since 2010 and to produce new benchmark estimates for 2019. A representative sample of minor road sites are counted each year. The change in the traffic flows between two consecutive years is applied to the overall minor road traffic estimates for the previous year. The adjustment applied to minor road traffic as a result of the 2019 benchmarking project was higher than that of previous benchmarking exercises. So whenever you hear that minor road traffic has increased - do look at the overall stable numbers in Southwark and do remember the benchmarking elevated the estimate of traffic on minor roads.

Redpost says...the traffic was higher....exdulwicher says...the traffic was lower.. make you mind up... Maybe people who actually live on these roads and have lived on them a long time...way before some Councillors were born, maybe they have noticed long-term trends and have a little more ability to notice how traffic changes in response to external factors. One could say they have 'expert' knowledge of their road they live in Maybe..the standard applied to clinical therapy could be applied here.. "Randomized trials cannot answer all important questions about a given intervention. For example, observational studies are more suitable to detect rare or late adverse effects of treatments, and are more likely to provide an indication of what is achieved in daily medical practice"3. Papanikolaou PN, Christidi GD, Ioannidis JP. Comparison of evidence on harms of medical interventions in randomized and nonrandomized studies. CMAJ 2006;174:635-41. In fact Covid-19 pandemic has changed some of the ways health professionals consider therapy as per the RECOVERY trial where RCT was adapted and observation of many treatments by individuals with years of 'expert' experience in the field. There are many cases when interventions have been applied on a population who have embedded experience, who are then ignored when they report harm and negative consequences. These populations are frequently told by very patronising, white males that they are incorrect about their own environment. mmhhhh

Outer London - so longer journeys one assumes and the Waze data does not measure the volume of traffic, and journey times. Article over a year long. During lockdown and the easing after, my friend used to bring me food as she was a key-worker so out and about - and I cooked her meals to take home as she was working all day in PPE and completely destroyed every evening. We sat outside 2 metres apart on a wall every 'rush-hour' after our exchange and cleansing of goods and we could hear ourselves and birds song. There was hardly any traffic on ED Grove at this time. Now there is no birdsong to be heard and we cannot sit on that wall and hear ourselves speak.

yep.. although have you missed the best bit...apparently the *hit just evaporates.....you will now be told that, with 'evidence' about people getting rid of their toilets proving there is no s*it on your road. The sh*t you see and smell...is your imagination, because the data proves it.

Your just imaging that Bic Basher...because the mysterious and suspect organisation the DA....tremble with fear as I speak that name...has filled your head with angry bees!

Run away ed26..before they tell you it's all in your imagination....

Aaaah the personal insults begin. Now I live in a parallel universe and I'm so dumb I can't tell the difference between moving traffic and standstill traffic...

"we have evidence in the form of traffic data - which shows traffic is significantly reduced for the largest section, between Melbourne Grove and Townley (where the Charter school, health centre and Dutch Estate is)" Evidence - mmhhh nope I live in that area and it is definitely worse, so the 'data' is not correct for 'that' section. You have got it wrong anyway - Charter/Health Centre is in the old Dulwich Hosp site and isn't at Townley - that central stretch is about 10 metres and doesn't include Townley or the Dutch estate. Alleyn's is at Townley - so you really don't know the area very well at all - do you? Try living here in the same flat for 35 years and you might have a bit more knowledge of this road.

You should try walking down ED Grove at 8:00am in the morning - stationary traffic all the way down the road, cyclists and scooters on the pavement - just an unpleasant walk now, used to love my walk to Herne Hill station - now some mornings I feel very asthmatic. So many school kids walking to school in this pollution too. I can't understand what this Council is thinking, it's obviously diverting traffic onto other roads. Road pricing yes, better local public transport yes, but making dirty air ghettos - no!

yep ed26 - exactly, but now you will be told you are just imaging what you can see with your own eyes...

Local elections are always a bit more fluid than national - and local councillors a little more variable. Many of us on the left find it difficult to tell the difference between let's say a Labour MP like Wes Streeting and a Tory MP lets say Tobias Elwood. Seeing that a Conservative MP can merrily join the Labour MPs and have the whip given to him, makes it harder to actually see the difference these days. LTNs are not a party political issue - although they are a Tory policy, they are a health and clean air issue. So yes, although there isn't an anti-LTN of any shade standing in my ward - if they did I would vote for them in this local election. Nationals...depends on policy I'll wait and see what the LP say before they earn my vote.

Labour is presently 'Tory light'.. so tell me the amazing LP policies I should vote for? I'm not in Village Ward anyway - so will vote Green in the hope they listen to a former Green Party Council candidate for Lewisham and WHO advisor on clean air policy who recognises LTNs as a disaster for residents living on main roads - or as she phrases is "clean air apartheid" her words not mine.

Seeing as the Labour Party is quite happy to give the whip to a Conservative MP, with a highly dubious voting record - even I as a lapsed member (although as the LP has data issues - they don't know who is a member and who isn't - hence we cannot even vote for someone to stand as a councillor at present) - I find it hard to tell the difference, especially with the LP promoting private healthcare and Rachel Reeves comments the other day. So more than happy to vote for a centrist Conservative who will remove LTNs than a centrist LP member who won't. Even the background to any LP MP on TV is now a purple colour.

There is a lot of ableist thinking in the LCC - it's not the only 'ist' by the way.

Cycling a lot, but not so often now, motorbike for on call, but not any more, car for visiting parents, family in the North East and South West (but not for the last two years) , 4-wheel drive with trailer for 8 years and hot-air balloon for 8 years (another story). Chosen mode now Commute 10K walk and 10 minute train Weekends Walking, bus Going out - Walking, train, tube and occasional Uber Car battery - probably very low. Criticising bad cycling, bad driving, bad motorbiking or even rude pedestrians doesn't mean that anyone dislikes anyone else..does it?

Sadly Southwark Council removed them - another piece of history taken away with no consultation or consideration...