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19:30 traffic flowing...so that is 60 minutes evening at least, but cannot report on traffic conditions earlier as not around.

Quaint? Quiet..I have had an end of week Negroni..

19:01 queuing idling traffic on ED Grove one way from LL to Village in one direction...again Melbounites...do walk from your lovely quaint road and view the chaos......

18:26 queuing traffic all the way down ED Grove both ways....and no I?m not posting photographic ?evidence? just look out your window or walk down from your Melbourne gated road!

Siduhe, yes it is bad and your/my observations backed up by Southwark?s own figures that show on one measure an increase in traffic if 25% and on another 36%. The jams are awful and change daily in terms of time of day and length of time. Of course living for 30 years on this road and observing change or your observation compared to your previous experience will be dismissed by the more observant and far better abled to assess traffic movements. Maybe living in an LTN improves cognitive function. No I will not be posting proof of my observations on this forum, I send the proof to my local councillor in hope that they actually do something as per the Councils recorded increases in traffic. Ok busy time at Uni from Monday... so goodbye forum for a bit...

But I suppose I live in hope that there is some honesty on this thread and someone just admits that although ED Grove, LL, Croxted were all busy roads, they are now much worse due to the LTNs. While their road is now gated, so quiet and with less traffic, with the consequence that their house price has increased and they of course they can still drive on boundary roads. So they have no issue with others having a worse experience and probable worse psychological and physical health outcomes due to increased stress and increased pollution both noise and particulates/NOx, because their life is now much nicer. I would respect this honesty far more than the trolling, sealioning and accusations of lying.

I think you are right on this one Alice.

No it's not consistent, some days are really horrific and some days it finishes earlier. Before the 5x LTNs there was flexibility in the system - a bit like collateral arteries in the heart, so if you have collaterals - if one get's blocked others take the flow and there isn't a major blockage and .....a heart attack is avoided. I suppose LTNs have removed the collaterals. The problem is this - as is Croxted- EDG is a residential road, a school road, a health centre road, a bus route - when it is jammed and not moving - pollution goes up, buses stop, cyclists are endangered by U-turning cars and school children walk down a polluted road - schools are on this polluted road. These boundary roads are not motorways, they may be designated as an A road, but they were lanes and groves..in 1886 when my flat was built - it was built on a residential road for railway and shop workers. And - 40 mins, an hour, 2 hours of idling traffic pollution while children walk down ED Grove 5 days a week each term, is enough to trigger an asthma attack, reduce lung capacity, increase an inflammatory response that leads to cardiovascular disease or cancer - read the paper on short term exposure leading to DVT and PEs - it is compelling.

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For some reason much longer now, this morning started to dissipate around 9:00am thankfully, but yes much longer and far more static than before. The evenings are a newer phenomen - seems to be later than the afternoon school run - which was bad before the summer break, but just started as schools went back, can only imagine that kids are back to school, so parents are back to the office. I fully welcome any policy that reduces car use and reduces pollution - I have not seen any data that supports LTNs actually achieve this and my own experience is that they just push the problem onto another road and other people's lungs. I've know what cancer, heart disease and respiratory disease looks like and seen enough people die from preventable disease. I'm not sure why anyone would support a policy that put's neighbours at an increased risk of ill health.

Oh and I don?t usually reply, but trust me - my walk from my flat to the station down ED Grove and the video I took was not an experience of free-flowing traffic at 8:45. The jam starts at 7:15 and lasts until 9:00 to 9:15 sometimes later since schools started this week. If anything much worse and much longer than the school run before Summer and now an evening of horror to add on ED Grove, I suppose more people going back to the office adding to the pain. No need to lie about my road, my life or my experience... just a resident worried about my health as an asthmatic and sad for my neighbours with children who I have been friends with since they were children themselves and the lovely couple who moved into a flat over summer and who are very unhappy and dismayed to see this traffic that was not there when they viewed during school holidays.

Slati- the drilled down data is always interesting. I imagine as Southwark has not published the data on pollution levels yet - they are still paying a private company to use statistical and filtering methodology to interpret the raw data in such a way to obscure the awful, dangerous and unhealthy rise in pollutants on ED Grove, Croxted, Grove Vale and LL. I also imagine the numbers of residents that want LTNs removed as they cause chaos on their roads are being massaged into fanciful ranges to help the message that LTNs are GOOD and residents who are under a pollution siege and are complaining are a very small MINORITY and therefore should be ignored. It?s the same story for Peckham Green Park, currently being built on. Residents - ?it?s a park, why were we not consulted? Southwark - ?its the Flax-yard, not a park and you were all consulted 10 years ago, so no need to consult again? I?m embarrassed to be a Labour Party member ☹️

2+ hours of idling pollution traffic in the morning and 2+ hours every evening on ED Grove and Croxted, it is terrible since Monday. Just published - 16-year large cohort study reveals SHORT TERM NO2, PM10 & PM2.5 exposure is associated with increased hospital urgent admissions for deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism - associated with a high risk of morbidity and mortality. SHORT TERM EXPOSURE - Thanks Southwark Council!

I would love to be supportive of any new nursery, but with the risk of ED Grove becoming even more of a nightmare on top of the horrendous idling standstill traffic today, I will object. If the LTNs all go, I will support.

Children don't drive cars, so I'm not sure it counts as a modal shift and most of the children I bump into are cycling on the pavement - inside and outside of LTNs, but especially so on ED Grove - quite often with a parent on the pavement too. My friend who used to cycle from New Cross to Chelsea, now does not cycle as her route is too dangerous since the LTNs - idling traffic, cars doing U turns and the fumes are terrible, she says that flowing traffic is safe, but this standstill traffic is dangerous - I have never cycled as a commute, so don't know the ins and out of it.

Actually as the traffic is at a standstill during the school run down ED Grove ...many parents let their kids get out in the middle of the road, sometimes in front of bikes...I think that is why many cyclists use the pavement as children jumping out of cars and cars trying to do U-turns is very dangerous.

Only seen after a full moon and the call of the magic vixen....

Active travel (cycling and walking) increased in all London boroughs and car use decreased in all London Boroughs during lockdown and the mid point of the pandemic - it was not dependent on LTNs. The increase in cycling when separated from walking was relatively small. The small increases in cycling are now having a downward trend. Car use has now increased, nearly back to pre-pandemic levels. As someone who travels by PT and walking as my main modes of transport and as someone who teaches cardiorespiratory health, I would love not just my road, but all roads to have far less car pollution and preferably none. The best way to achieve this is decent, cheap, reliable and end-to-end public transport. Dulwich has one of the worst PTAL ratings in London. LTNs are a waste of time and money, there is absolutely no data that proves that closing roads reduces pollution and shifts people to cycling in any significant number to make a dent in pollution levels. Meanwhile residential roads such as Croxted and ED Grove suffer.

There is often two sparrow hawks circling high above the Rye....I imagine a nice fat pigeon is just the thing for tea. If you can?t see the hawks you can hear them calling.

If you dig down into the TFL raw data, the big increases in cycling were at the weekend, from their very few data collecting sites [25 mostly in inner London) 100% increase etc. Weekdays the increase was around 14% comparing to numbers in 2019. Since Autumn 2020 the weekday numbers have started to drop by around 10% compared to 2019, but weekends remain high. So not changing from cars to bikes for commuting during the week in comparison to 2019 and no justification for increasing traffic by 25-36% and slowing buses on ED Grove, or causing chaos and pollution on Croxted.

That picture of the jolly in the square of shame next to nearly quarter of a mile of idling traffic on a residential/school road reminds me of ?Playing the fiddle while Rome burns?

Well as I didn't supply any links......

It's a diversion, the real need is investment in public transport. LTNs are the Conservative party's idea so attention is diverted away from cuts in public transport policy and road building programs...and silly labour councils have taken the bait - thinking it would also make them popular with vocal, middle-class voters on nice leafy roads.

The UN advises that only decent, cheap, clean, regular and end to end public transport will reduce the 'convenience' of using cars. Of course, the lobby groups tied to LTNs and cycling as 'the' answer ignore the raw data from TFL and the actual raw data from their own research, forgetting to exclude confounding variables such as a pandemic and lockdown and grouping cycling and walking together, to prove a significant increase in cycling that in reality does not exist. When the data is appropriately peer reviewed and the information is drilled down to the actual collected raw data, with variables accounted for, there is no evidence whatsoever that LTNs reduce car use or pollution or have any great impact on increasing 'active' travel.

Oh and active travel includes walking..cycling across London increase was minuscule compared to walking during lockdown....when a lot of so called ?huge increase in cycling? numbers are quoted (not necessarily Southwark data), that LCC and other lobby groups use to ?prove? their opinions - it is frequently based on increases in walking bundled in with small increases in cycling.... If you highlight this on Twitter with the raw data..LCC blocks you. Charming.