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PT prices about to increase, train service reduced and bus routes slowed because of LTNs. South London PT and Southwark PTAL one of the worse.

Cycling has already reduced from the lockdown Summer high in London. (Lots' of data- just look for it) The nudge theory that eventually people will swap cars for bikes locally is flawed, people in Dulwich/East Dulwich walk in the main for short journeys rather than cycle. The whole push about cycling is a diversion. So much so that the cycling lobby have to include walking into all the 'research' data to make it appear that cycling is 'the answer'. I love cycling, but for short journeys I along with many prefer to walk and if I go further in and around London PT is great if only it was cheaper, more reliable etc. What car journeys and deliveries/ services that are undertaken as necessary are now all funnelled and concentrated on fewer roads that are in the least wealthy areas...causing idling traffic that produces 3x more pollution than moving traffic. Good public transport is the answer and waiting longer for the miracle of evaporation is like wishing for unicorns. Instead of lobbying for LTNs it would be far better for the environment and far more inclusive to lobby and campaign for decent, cheap, reliable and efficient public transport.

Children playing sports outside only metres away from a road with 25-36% more traffic on an already polluted road is the issue. Frankly I cannot understand how people do not acknowledge this, unless of course they don?t really care about pollution but only care about how quiet their road they they live on is. Melbourne Grove - some of the retail businesses have reasons to believe that some of the residents are more than happy for the businesses to close down so that their road isn?t bothered by retail rubbish and visitors to their road. Truly wanting a gated community....I mean there is talk of extra security to protect the barricades..... What next....?

Building work is still ongoing. There will be extra entrances on ED Grove and outdoor sports facilities just metres away from ED Grove. Not sure why anyone who is a parent would be ok with 25-36% more traffic on a road right next to a school.

No Charter has not been running most of the Summer at capacity, so the school run in September will cause idling traffic again on ED Grove.

Open the LTNs...close ED Grove..repair ED Grove then..keep the LTNs open anyway 😁 sorted.

New entrance for Charter on East Dulwich Grove on the corner where the gym and food hall are and another will be open on the main entrance on ED Grove. It will be very busy on the Grove during the school and nursery run. Thankfully most Charter kids get a bus, train or cycle, unlike many JAGs and Alleyn?s kids... I think the mega-nursery will undoubtably bring more traffic to ED Grove, I think as the road is now full of idling traffic and the buses are delayed in school term, after the ?healthy streets? initiative, parents will drive, make U turns to avoid traffic further up the road and it will all add to the traffic/pollution and general chaos of the school run mornings.

My point about our healthy streets in terms of LTNs and increased traffic (as measured by Southwark) on ED Grove up by at least a quarter and on its other measurement a third, is that Melbourne Grove in an LTN has had it?s road resurfaced about 3 times and it?s pavements upgraded. The last resurfacing after the barriers went in. Meanwhile East Dulwich Grove with far more pedestrian, cycling and car traffic/ activity has not been properly resurfaced for over 20 years and the pavements not upgraded as a whole for the same period. If ED Grove is a school road, residential area, bus route, health centre road, why is Southwark not providing this road with the same attention as Melbourne? Are some residents a bit more important than others?

Nope...seen the photos of a small number of people not looking overly joyous posted by the friends of the square of shame. If those were the best photos that they could post...it must have not been the most glorious affair. I would rather ?3k be spent on the potholes and rubbish pavements on ED Grove and digging up the dangerous, unplanned, hurriedly converted speed-hump on a corner that has caused many issues on ED Grove. Yes, interesting about property value, one would think that they would be satisfied with property worth just over 2 million, but there you go. Not such a happy story for our neighbours in Peckham Green, who are having their only green space taken away from them.

Harriet Edwards, senior policy manager for air quality at Asthma UK and the British Lung Foundation, said London?s dirty air contributed to about a thousand emergency hospital admissions for children each year. She said: ?Children should feel safe when they are at school, but instead they are being exposed to dangerous levels of air pollution, which could be damaging their lungs and future prospects. ?For the tens of thousands of children living with existing lung conditions, breathing dirty air could trigger a life-threatening asthma attack? When do the schools go back? When will East Dulwich Grove become a place that has dangerous levels of air pollution for Charter, Alleyn?s and JAGs? As well as my neighbours children and the young kids opposite and the nice family who moved into their first home over Summer? When will Southwark Council release the pollution data, to understand how a 25-36% rise in idling traffic has contributed to more pollution, maybe it will be the same as the crowd funded monitors that measured off the scale levels of NOx, have they also monitored particulates that cause cancer and heart disease?

Oh people..go to North Cross and get yourself a breakfast burrito....please stop pretending the square of shame is ?fun? it?s just a closed junction.

What a brilliant film. So nice to hear the stories of people too. Loved it!

Do tell...

Indeed...cutting down two mature plane trees and building on a park...couldn?t imagine them doing that in the wealthy, leafy areas of Dulwich, in fact they gifted the square of shame. Even the physic garden that ED Grove residents were promised would be kept in the Charter School and Health Centre Consultation was destroyed and turned into a....car park. It seems fine to increase pollution and take green spaces away in areas with flats and high residential density, but important to give certain groups and people who have campaigned for years for a gated, exclusive road their wish. I wonder why?

Great idea... but Waitrose, Ocado, Amazon etc. very regular visitors to the gated car parks, so no need for any further policy or action. I have a nice quiet street...but I can drive my car and still have deliveries, so nothing else to do now. See how diversionary it is..now nobody needs to do anything else.

Try Union too, very nice beans.

Exactly...LTNs are a diversion. Promoted by those who want a nice, quiet leafy road to park their three cars in. So now they have this they will not campaign for any real policy to reduce pollution. It?s a panacea to keep the chattering classes quiet and you have all been mesmerised by Boris....and although you know this...you will never admit that this is the case. Especially if you are a Councillor in the Village.

Trams much better than nudge theory shock! https://www.emta.com/spip.php?article1212 https://www.hitachi.eu/en/press/70-new-trams-turin and Southwark being particularly useless on this https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/trams-could-make-a-return-to-southwark-by-2025/

Leaving the climate crisis up to individual choice isn?t really cutting it for the planet, nudge theory will trumpet in the eventual demise of earth. But anyway... back to ?our healthy streets?, no the LTNs have made quiet car parks -just walk down Melbourne, Gilkes or Calton and admire the multiple BMW, Mercedes, Range Rovers, Mini run-arounds, just open, remove parking on one side and create a cycle- pedestrian space, with a textured step down.

I think, what I would like to happen is all LTNs removed and every road have a dedicated protected bike lane - preferably using an elevated section in line with the pavement and parking removed from at least one side of every road. Add in small local public transport electric buses. Introduce more school buses, but they all have to be electric. This would encourage cycling on all roads, only disadvantage drivers, but not increase journey times and would relieve the idling traffic issue, it would also go some way to stopping the current LTNs being car parks for the wealthy to park their 2nd or 3rd car that doesn?t fit on the drive or garage. Of course it would be very expensive and Southwark always prefers the cheap option that does nothing about pollution levels on high density residential roads, but allows them the claim of ?doing nothing is no option? and green-washing with the claim that they are reducing pollution, while merrily cutting down mature plane trees and increasing pollution on already busy residential roads.

Small local electric buses would be great actually. Excellent idea.

Data...car use per person per day in Southwark is a quarter of that in Bexley and half of that in Greenwich and one of the lowest levels in London. TFL - who travels by car in London. So active travel was already high locally. All LTNs do is make some wealthy, leafy roads a little more pricey while making already busy roads with important public transport links busier, more polluted and noisier, so that some Councillors can gift their wealthier constituents a taste of the rural life. Not sure why...most have seconds homes that they access using their 3rd vehicle. Oh and TFL data, more likely to drive the wealthier you are....

I would be very interested in all these local people driving less than a mile in Dulwich and East Dulwich pre the closure of roads, what is the data? How many a year? Can someone direct me? And data please, not modelling.

Thanks Spartacus, I'm so done with the 'ableist' lobby. In fact fuming at some of the comments. Southwark didn't at any point factor in any equality impact assessment (EIA), there was no evidence-based approach to ensure the decision-making process was fair and did not present barriers or disadvantage for those with reduced mobility. I have continually suggested to Southwark to invest in local, clean, cheap transport, like the yellow bus in Brighton, but they are so tied to these ridiculous gated leafy roads, they cannot see beyond their own vanity projects.

Nudge theory from the Tory party.. self interest and policy as individual choice by those who can choose. Meanwhile no public transport policy, no policy to really tackle climate change and pollution - just a process of blame towards those most impacted by pollution. Get that Tory grit out of your eyes and start seeing the truth.