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They are indeed challenged in many ways. Seeing someone die of respiratory and multi-organ failure re-sets one's brain. Maybe they all need a day on a Covid ward.

Indeed Alice and Rockets. A lot of the less mobile residents inside of LTNs have found that their necessary short drive (yes cars have given mobility to people who do have mobility issues and this then alerts me to the very 'ableist' comments like 'there is a bike for everyone' etc.) ...they now have an hour journey rather than a 15 minute journey. How is that reducing pollution?

Any plan from a Conservative Government that impacts the least wealthy in society without actually tackling the real issues is just diversionary politicking and green-washing. Safer streets for who? More active travel for who? Doesn't do anything for a busy Mum living on a 'main road' with three kids at different schools, does nothing for the elderly or someone with mobility issues on a road with slower buses and idling traffic. Fine if you live on Calton Ave or Gilkes, with 3 cars and a country get-away. Terrible policy enabled by a Centrist Labour Councils.

Traffic dropped across London during the lockdown even in non-LTN Boroughs. Active travel was always high in this area, but also increased in non-LTN areas during the warm spring. All TFL data there for all to research. It will increase again and as public transport has been reduced during lockdown, it will probably maintain a lower level of service at an elevated price, all playing into the overall reduction of good, clean and cheap public transport which is the real way out of reducing car use and reducing pollution. Diverting traffic to roads like the South Circular and other roads where the least well off in society live is a Tory plan that Southwark appears to support. What advice do LTN and the cycling lobby say to these residents..they tell them to move house. Again, looking forward to seeing actual data rather than modelling based on schemes that are not like the Emergency LTNs. Yes I do personally support road pricing and ULEZ extension and I would happily see the banning of any non electronic vehicle in the Greater London Area, with the additional investment in public transport. Because as I said before, the LTNs enforced on us by Councils at the behest of Johnson and Shapps is a diversionary tactic, so the lack of any real planning to reduce pollution goes under the radar. So it?s then left up to local government and some sort of nudge theory and individual choice...it?s not revolutionary, it?s not central planning and it plays into the hands of vanity projects, leafy road home owners and the lack of any real change. Meanwhile green spaces are built in and forests burn. LTNs are like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. No contact has been made to the residents of ED Grove to explain to us what the Council is going to do before schools open in September and the disaster of 25-35% more traffic, slowed buses, noise and increased pollution again causes distress and increased risk of cardio respiratory illness on this road that hundreds of children walk down, play sports next to and live. I think you have all been fooled.

UN target Target 11.2: By 2030, provide access to safe, affordable, accessible and sustainable transport systems for all, improving road safety, notably by expanding public transport, with special attention to the needs of those in vulnerable situations, women, children, persons with disabilities and older persons

Oh and agree about car use, but as Europe is working this out by increasing public transport and transport link investments, including trams, I do wonder if Boris?s LTN plan is just to divert attention away from a lack of any real public transport plan for the future... I do believe this plan has worked with a bit of help from Labour Councils and the chattering classes who want a gated road. Boris has fooled you all.

I still not sure how making car journeys longer and increasing the amount of time both cars and buses idle on East Dulwich Grove decreases NOx and particulate pollution. Could you explain. Also could you provide the data that pollution decreases as a result of LTNs. By data I mean long term, statistically significant data, outside of any other confounding factors.

Make ED Grove so horrible and polluted for the residents that people from other roads give up driving their car, doesn?t seem to be working, so ....keep going until it does. Is that the great plan? As LTNs have not in any research been shown, with actual data, to reduce pollution and in one area where there is a much celebrated LTN the adult asthma A&E rate is the highest in London, then forgive me for not being a believer.

Oh there are many cars owned by friends of Dulwich Square.

Driving down ED Grove, very different from living on ED Grove..and no it was never at a standstill for nearly 2 hours in the morning that was so bad it delayed buses by around 20 minutes. This is due LTNs diverting traffic flow as measured by Southwark Council (buses delayed by 20 mins on ED Grove, when the London trajectory has been shorter transit times and 26-35% more traffic, when across London traffic has been reduced in areas with and without LTNs) Anyway. I will continue to be gaslighted and told how untruthful I am, it?s not an accurate assessment, but obviously suits to promote the view that the extra traffic, pollution and bus delays are in my and my neighbours imagination, despite being backed up by Southwark?s own data.

I like the towards a community model ?Proposals to enable residents and communities to take more responsibility and have more say in the decisions that affect their lives? Hmmm

It is the story of LTNs. Put them in and then ignore the increases in traffic and pollution on main residential roads and claim success because closed roads are quieter. Then gaslight those who flag up the negative impacts.

i have never seen idling traffic as bad as this before the LTNs and yes cars do travel at speed at quieter times, well above the 20mph speed limit - as measured every fortnight. So yes both awful traffic issues exist on EDG. I think maybe you are intimidating in your post that I am being untruthful...quite why you would think there is any reason I should be do is beyond me. I?m just reporting my lived experience and the data as collected by Southwark and independent speed data.

I live between Melbourne and Townley, the idling traffic on school days is horrific. I have lived here for over 30 years. I can see, smell and hear the nearly at a standstill traffic...I dread the September School return. It was always a busy flow, but was never at a standstill. The 37 bus delayed and traffic increased. What a complete and utter pollution disaster. LTNs...pollution generators.

If you live in an LTN and are a very vocal LTN supporter, because you don?t want anyone driving down your nice road past you huge house with an enormous garden and huge garage and you own 3 vehicles, the town and private school run around, the nice car and the family SUV for travelling to your second home in the country....but you tell me that I?m the polluter, the dirty air for everybody, the petrol head, while living in my flat, with no huge front garden and no country second home. I can only afford this busy road that you can drive on....that has had a 26-35% rise in traffic and high NOx levels....and I travel around by walking, PT and cycling and only drive to a small village in Lincolnshire to visit my 90 yr old Mum, because there are no trains and occasionally drive to Gloucestershire and Devon to visit my friends as the train costs ?200 for two of us... What does that say about how we treat people and the lazy way to tackle pollution. LTNs are a cheap and lazy bit of Green Washing at best and a Tory idea full of inequality at the worst. It is slowly dawning on individuals who can actually think about what is happening, rather than following the LCC dogma, that this isn?t the answer, it is actually an excellent way of pretending to do something, while public transport is decimated and huge road networks invested in. If you are an LTN supporter, you are part of the problem, not the solution and being pleased with your private gated road and your small increase in house value, while having the wool pulled over your eyes by Boris and his mates is the dirty deal that they have given you.

Who lives on 'main' roads that have traffic from lovely leafy roads diverted by gated communities....https://youtu.be/Pn0ENEuze8k

There isn?t less traffic on my road, there is 26-35% more comparing pre-Covid, pre LTN levels and then after LTNs went in and during a time that traffic went down across London, including in non-LTN boroughs......... and where is the pollution data we were promised at the end of July, why is Southwark withholding the data for East Dulwich Grove?

Dougie you are correct, idling is a big issue for LL, Croxted and ED Grove, it?s the constant braking and accelerating that causes huge amounts of particulate matter, highly toxic due to the human immune system taking up these particles at a cellular level, this is why they cause inflammation leading to cancer, coronary disease and chronic respiratory conditions. Leaving it up to the locals appears to have gone out the window if it is true that Southwark are now going to weight all responses equally. i.e. responses from people who do not live in Southwark but have used an address in Southwark to answer the Consultation will have an equal say. I hope this is not the case as this leaves the consultation open to the influence of lobby groups from all sides of the discussion rather than just local residents.

Please do the butterfly count. https://bigbutterflycount.butterfly-conservation.org/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo&utm_content=Awareness+Days I love the tiger moth, saw one when walking to Greendale, then also spotted a peacock butterfly on the buddleia that grows in the corner and lots of gatekeepers. Tiger moth caterpillars are amazing too...hairy bears!

Exactly, this is a very Tory narrative that has been weirdly picked up by Labour Councils You are unemployed because you haven't made enough effort to find a job You are poor because you didn't work hard enough There is a bike for everyone ... indicating if you have mobility issues but aren't riding a bike..it's because you just aren't trying hard enough. Your road is polluted because of LTNs by 26% more traffic - what are YOU doing about it Thankfully I plan to move away in the next few years, but I know two families that have just scrapped enough money together to buy small flats on ED Grove, they are now stuck on a road that is poisoning their kids and they are trolled and insulted for wanting cleaner air for their family.

In 2013, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) confirmed that outdoor air pollution is a cause of cancer. Tiny dust-like particles just millionths of a metre wide, called ?particulate matter?, make up a part of outdoor air pollution. Measurements found that 5.8 grams per kilometre of harmful particles are emitted by tyres as they wear when a car is being driven. That compares to 4.5 milligrams per kilometer produced from exhaust pipes of the latest vehicles on sale today - meaning harmful tyre outputs are higher by a factor of over 1,000.

I will take Prof Stephen Holgate?s information on this matter as the more valid information. Peaks in pollution can trigger severe asthma attacks. The same peaks that have been measured on ED Grove morning and evening during the school run. If you work in medicine, you know that we don?t work in ?facts? we work with evidence.

Ridiculous that 40 was stopped from going all the way to LB. It?s a real issue for patients with reduced mobility to get to the Guy?s campus now.

The on London article is excellent.

No I live in a flat and as an NHS worker then teaching future NHS workers my salary is small. I walk and take PT and hardly ever drive. My road has an increase in 26% traffic since LTNs. I have already said I live in ED Grove and have lived in the same small flat for over 30 years. So LTN Manatee where do you live? How long have you lived there? Do you live in an LTN? Do you drive? Rosamund Kissi Debrah campaigns for a reduction of pollution since the pollution on the road she lives on just of the South Circ was officially classed as a factor in the death of her daughter. Because she understands that LTNs push traffic and pollution onto roads where there is a higher degree of residents that are more vulnerable to pollution, due to multi factorial issues, she campaigns against the current poorly planned LTNs, while taking the message of the need for cleaner and cheaper public transport, stopping burning of wood, log fires etc. A well known bike group tried to no platform her at a conference on lung health and clean air and she is trolled by members of the same group on Twitter.