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If you support a Tory-Boris initiative that makes private wealthy quiet roads at the detriment of people living in higher density housing on other roads, while decimating public transport, then don?t ever say you are campaigning to reduce pollution or car use. How nice it must be to live in a nice house, in a nice quiet street that your car is parked in and tell us that we are the ones that believe in ?dirty air for all? as the trolls on social media call us residents of the sacrificed roads...which then you drive your kids to school on. LTNs do not reduce pollution and impact those exact people who are more likely to suffer from cardio respiratory diseases.

I walk...cycle occasionally, take trains, tubes and buses. Public transport is terrible still for people with mobility issues and pavements dreadful for those with visual impairment. Greater London is huge. Better, cleaner, cheaper public transport is needed across London. The whole Amsterdam thing is a fallacy, car ownership per capita is far higher than London, despite the size and public transport cheap and well connected with trams, metro, trains and ferries. Just because LCC thinks cycling is the ?answer? doesn?t make it true.

Two women a week are killed by a current or former partner in England and Wales alone. ONS 2019. How do we prevent this in the future?

There is no data that proves LTNs reduce pollution. None. Not any. Nothing.

Traffic went down in London in Boroughs without LTNs equally with Boroughs with LTNs in London over the Covid period. Traffic went up on ED Grove during this period, by at least 26% The data on ?road? accidents was only measured in closed roads (sorry LTNs) and went down, as did the level of road accidents in the UK during Covid. The data collected to prove LTNs reduced accidents by certain researchers did not include any measurement on so called external roads..... Roads like LL, Croxted, ED Grove and Vale. How, when and what data is collected and how it is compared is important. I am used to the gold standard of medical research (double-blinded, ethics, meta-analysis) and I do realise that the qualitative research is part of looking at societal impacts, but I do find this research in some aspects, requiring a closer look and needing some critical appraisal. I would much rather that data was collected independently, using traffic levels and pollution levels compared outside of Covid lockdown. With this data independently analysed blindly (so unaware if pre, post, LTN, no LTN.) Anyway, for all those who suggested both on the forum and on other social media, that it was my overactive imagination and my flawed perception that my residential road had a massive increase in traffic, with some members of a cycling group and a supposedly clean air campaign (or a quiet road for me and who cares about anybody else?s lungs campaign) who trolled me on social media and tried to encourage a pile on when I explained the horrible traffic on my road... I was right..wasn?t I, it had increased.

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Healthy streets as dictated by LCC and a few key stakeholders.. but not residents of Croxted, Vale, Grove or Lane.. but you know, if you are in you are in....and if you are not in the 'in crowd' then you deserve traffic and pollution...meanwhile let's sell of any Council Housing in 'posh' areas and build on the green spaces on those poorer estates.....

Has anybody tried driving backwards?

What about hastily planned....although ?planned? isn?t really a description of the debacle and mesmerising double talk as exposed by FOI?s.

Well if Boris and Grant say that hastily enforced LTNs reduce traffic and pollution then it must be true and must be working. The rise in pollution and traffic on my residential road (26% and more as measured by Southwark) must just be leftish propaganda. I?m sure Peter is enjoying his gated community as much as thingy-bobs Mum and that nice lady from planning and those two nice people from CAD.

Sounds like a great organisation. Sometimes meadow grass is cut and left laying so it seeds the ground, so I?m hoping this is just good management.

Ha ha legal....you are the outlier. I walk down often as I like seeing the gardens change over the season, but my partner literally refuses to walk down there and after laughing at my post has said...?don?t go in the ?safe-house? it?s a trap. 🤣

Aaah Gilkes...all a bit Stepford Wives....I always feel the hairs on the back of my neck go up when I walk down there, surprised that the residents association hasn?t introduced an entrance gate with a security guard...my partner refuses to walk down Gilkes...?it?s all a bit ?Get Out?? in their opinion.

I know Alice it?s a joke, everyone who has lived here for more than 35 years knows exactly why Gilkes has a ?temporary? gate on it, who was asking for Melbourne and Court to be gated and why LCC chose Dulwich Village. Hilariously these are also the roads that campaigned for public transport to also be banned from their road! Absolutely nothing to do with reducing pollution and everything about making a few roads nicer. How anyone thinks making car journeys longer and making nice car parks for a few wealthy people is the answer is fooling themselves. Duncan, I listed all the actions I thought would aid car use in Southwark ages ago in this thread. It didn?t go down well as actually the gated community do not want to give up their Range Rovers, their second run-around, their two parking spaces, have a bike lane or allow a bus down their road.

I might make some cheese and chive scones today... Yes dear Luke isn't someone I want to give my money to. Spend your cash at small independents or smaller chains with social responsibility.

So Duncan, do you live in an LTN? Easy..just a 'yes' or a 'no' will suffice.

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/paul-wheeler-lets-have-a-serious-new-debate-about-congestion-and-air-quality-in-london/

Why did the Goodman/Aldred report about drops in traffic injuries, conspicuously avoid any mention of the boroughs which do not have LTNs. Because.....they had the same drop of injuries as the LTN boroughs over the same period. Mmmhhhh could there be another reason over the 18 months?

I wonder how Rosamund Kissi-Debrah would react to be called absurd, but I agree Bicknell, feels very much 'related' or as we like to say in the trade a 'sock-puppet'. Anyway, back to the thread.

NOx does spread a bit, but unfortunately for children .... particulates which are incredibly dangerous (carcinogenic and infiltration) tend to stay around child height level.

Everything Duncan..everything. So you live in an LTN, probably in a house with a garden and own at least one car I guess. Good on yer lad, it?s that way of thinking that has made Engerland the marvellous country it is today. If you are wealthy you can move into an LTN, if you are poor ... you have no choice but to stay living on your polluted ?main? road.

"Luke Johnson, a former owner of The Ivy and boss of Gail's artisan bakery, said the coronavirus lockdown was threatening the fabric of British society and called for its speedy end. The Vote Leave supporter told TalkRADIO presenter Julia Hartley-Brewer that Britain was 'a frightened society' and in turn 'a failing society' before stressing the country's yearly death toll is usually 650,000" Tweets by Luke Johnson "Editor of the Lancet Richard Horton should have been fired years ago. He has debased what was once a world class medical journal with his ideological agenda" "As usual, Sky gets it wrong. It was LOCKDOWNS and restrictions which made people homeless - not the pandemic"

Hey, Duncan out of interest where do you live? I live on ED Grove in a flat.

According to the councillor I voted for in Goose Green Ward, if traffic and pollution is not reduced over all of Dulwich the LTN experiment has failed and ?Nurseries, schools and hospitals should be considered ?vulnerable hubs? which we prioritise for protection from pollution? ED Grove, 3 schools, 1 health centre, 2 nurseries. Southwark?s own monitoring ED Grove has an increase in traffic of 25-36% Independent monitoring ED Grove 59ug NOx way above the WHO safety limit. So...it?s going well then?

The unplanned LTNs brought into Dulwich are in very wealthy, very white, high income and high car ownership areas. With the exception of Gilkes which is gated due to a temporary closure becoming permanent to please residents in 2 mill houses as a very wealthy residents association the ?LTN?s you mention are traffic free areas built as such in a planned and consulted way and were not forced upon residents via an emergency order. East Dulwich Grove, Grove Vale and LL all have high density residential buildings and represent a mixed community. Why were Court, Calton, Melbourne picked, why is Gilkes a gated road. This conflating of estates with the Covid LTNs is a way of excusing the fact that LTNs benefit the wealthiest in Dulwich and East Dulwich. Actually the way a Council works does become a dictatorship...do you think your councillor has a vote on every issue or is policy decided by a small group?