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I think, what I would like to happen is all LTNs removed and every road have a dedicated protected bike lane - preferably using an elevated section in line with the pavement and parking removed from at least one side of every road. Add in small local public transport electric buses. Introduce more school buses, but they all have to be electric. This would encourage cycling on all roads, only disadvantage drivers, but not increase journey times and would relieve the idling traffic issue, it would also go some way to stopping the current LTNs being car parks for the wealthy to park their 2nd or 3rd car that doesn?t fit on the drive or garage. Of course it would be very expensive and Southwark always prefers the cheap option that does nothing about pollution levels on high density residential roads, but allows them the claim of ?doing nothing is no option? and green-washing with the claim that they are reducing pollution, while merrily cutting down mature plane trees and increasing pollution on already busy residential roads.

Small local electric buses would be great actually. Excellent idea.

Data...car use per person per day in Southwark is a quarter of that in Bexley and half of that in Greenwich and one of the lowest levels in London. TFL - who travels by car in London. So active travel was already high locally. All LTNs do is make some wealthy, leafy roads a little more pricey while making already busy roads with important public transport links busier, more polluted and noisier, so that some Councillors can gift their wealthier constituents a taste of the rural life. Not sure why...most have seconds homes that they access using their 3rd vehicle. Oh and TFL data, more likely to drive the wealthier you are....

I would be very interested in all these local people driving less than a mile in Dulwich and East Dulwich pre the closure of roads, what is the data? How many a year? Can someone direct me? And data please, not modelling.

Thanks Spartacus, I'm so done with the 'ableist' lobby. In fact fuming at some of the comments. Southwark didn't at any point factor in any equality impact assessment (EIA), there was no evidence-based approach to ensure the decision-making process was fair and did not present barriers or disadvantage for those with reduced mobility. I have continually suggested to Southwark to invest in local, clean, cheap transport, like the yellow bus in Brighton, but they are so tied to these ridiculous gated leafy roads, they cannot see beyond their own vanity projects.

Nudge theory from the Tory party.. self interest and policy as individual choice by those who can choose. Meanwhile no public transport policy, no policy to really tackle climate change and pollution - just a process of blame towards those most impacted by pollution. Get that Tory grit out of your eyes and start seeing the truth.

They are indeed challenged in many ways. Seeing someone die of respiratory and multi-organ failure re-sets one's brain. Maybe they all need a day on a Covid ward.

Indeed Alice and Rockets. A lot of the less mobile residents inside of LTNs have found that their necessary short drive (yes cars have given mobility to people who do have mobility issues and this then alerts me to the very 'ableist' comments like 'there is a bike for everyone' etc.) ...they now have an hour journey rather than a 15 minute journey. How is that reducing pollution?

Any plan from a Conservative Government that impacts the least wealthy in society without actually tackling the real issues is just diversionary politicking and green-washing. Safer streets for who? More active travel for who? Doesn't do anything for a busy Mum living on a 'main road' with three kids at different schools, does nothing for the elderly or someone with mobility issues on a road with slower buses and idling traffic. Fine if you live on Calton Ave or Gilkes, with 3 cars and a country get-away. Terrible policy enabled by a Centrist Labour Councils.

Traffic dropped across London during the lockdown even in non-LTN Boroughs. Active travel was always high in this area, but also increased in non-LTN areas during the warm spring. All TFL data there for all to research. It will increase again and as public transport has been reduced during lockdown, it will probably maintain a lower level of service at an elevated price, all playing into the overall reduction of good, clean and cheap public transport which is the real way out of reducing car use and reducing pollution. Diverting traffic to roads like the South Circular and other roads where the least well off in society live is a Tory plan that Southwark appears to support. What advice do LTN and the cycling lobby say to these residents..they tell them to move house. Again, looking forward to seeing actual data rather than modelling based on schemes that are not like the Emergency LTNs. Yes I do personally support road pricing and ULEZ extension and I would happily see the banning of any non electronic vehicle in the Greater London Area, with the additional investment in public transport. Because as I said before, the LTNs enforced on us by Councils at the behest of Johnson and Shapps is a diversionary tactic, so the lack of any real planning to reduce pollution goes under the radar. So it?s then left up to local government and some sort of nudge theory and individual choice...it?s not revolutionary, it?s not central planning and it plays into the hands of vanity projects, leafy road home owners and the lack of any real change. Meanwhile green spaces are built in and forests burn. LTNs are like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. No contact has been made to the residents of ED Grove to explain to us what the Council is going to do before schools open in September and the disaster of 25-35% more traffic, slowed buses, noise and increased pollution again causes distress and increased risk of cardio respiratory illness on this road that hundreds of children walk down, play sports next to and live. I think you have all been fooled.

UN target Target 11.2: By 2030, provide access to safe, affordable, accessible and sustainable transport systems for all, improving road safety, notably by expanding public transport, with special attention to the needs of those in vulnerable situations, women, children, persons with disabilities and older persons

Oh and agree about car use, but as Europe is working this out by increasing public transport and transport link investments, including trams, I do wonder if Boris?s LTN plan is just to divert attention away from a lack of any real public transport plan for the future... I do believe this plan has worked with a bit of help from Labour Councils and the chattering classes who want a gated road. Boris has fooled you all.

I still not sure how making car journeys longer and increasing the amount of time both cars and buses idle on East Dulwich Grove decreases NOx and particulate pollution. Could you explain. Also could you provide the data that pollution decreases as a result of LTNs. By data I mean long term, statistically significant data, outside of any other confounding factors.

Make ED Grove so horrible and polluted for the residents that people from other roads give up driving their car, doesn?t seem to be working, so ....keep going until it does. Is that the great plan? As LTNs have not in any research been shown, with actual data, to reduce pollution and in one area where there is a much celebrated LTN the adult asthma A&E rate is the highest in London, then forgive me for not being a believer.

Oh there are many cars owned by friends of Dulwich Square.

Driving down ED Grove, very different from living on ED Grove..and no it was never at a standstill for nearly 2 hours in the morning that was so bad it delayed buses by around 20 minutes. This is due LTNs diverting traffic flow as measured by Southwark Council (buses delayed by 20 mins on ED Grove, when the London trajectory has been shorter transit times and 26-35% more traffic, when across London traffic has been reduced in areas with and without LTNs) Anyway. I will continue to be gaslighted and told how untruthful I am, it?s not an accurate assessment, but obviously suits to promote the view that the extra traffic, pollution and bus delays are in my and my neighbours imagination, despite being backed up by Southwark?s own data.

I like the towards a community model ?Proposals to enable residents and communities to take more responsibility and have more say in the decisions that affect their lives? Hmmm

It is the story of LTNs. Put them in and then ignore the increases in traffic and pollution on main residential roads and claim success because closed roads are quieter. Then gaslight those who flag up the negative impacts.

i have never seen idling traffic as bad as this before the LTNs and yes cars do travel at speed at quieter times, well above the 20mph speed limit - as measured every fortnight. So yes both awful traffic issues exist on EDG. I think maybe you are intimidating in your post that I am being untruthful...quite why you would think there is any reason I should be do is beyond me. I?m just reporting my lived experience and the data as collected by Southwark and independent speed data.

I live between Melbourne and Townley, the idling traffic on school days is horrific. I have lived here for over 30 years. I can see, smell and hear the nearly at a standstill traffic...I dread the September School return. It was always a busy flow, but was never at a standstill. The 37 bus delayed and traffic increased. What a complete and utter pollution disaster. LTNs...pollution generators.

If you live in an LTN and are a very vocal LTN supporter, because you don?t want anyone driving down your nice road past you huge house with an enormous garden and huge garage and you own 3 vehicles, the town and private school run around, the nice car and the family SUV for travelling to your second home in the country....but you tell me that I?m the polluter, the dirty air for everybody, the petrol head, while living in my flat, with no huge front garden and no country second home. I can only afford this busy road that you can drive on....that has had a 26-35% rise in traffic and high NOx levels....and I travel around by walking, PT and cycling and only drive to a small village in Lincolnshire to visit my 90 yr old Mum, because there are no trains and occasionally drive to Gloucestershire and Devon to visit my friends as the train costs ?200 for two of us... What does that say about how we treat people and the lazy way to tackle pollution. LTNs are a cheap and lazy bit of Green Washing at best and a Tory idea full of inequality at the worst. It is slowly dawning on individuals who can actually think about what is happening, rather than following the LCC dogma, that this isn?t the answer, it is actually an excellent way of pretending to do something, while public transport is decimated and huge road networks invested in. If you are an LTN supporter, you are part of the problem, not the solution and being pleased with your private gated road and your small increase in house value, while having the wool pulled over your eyes by Boris and his mates is the dirty deal that they have given you.

Who lives on 'main' roads that have traffic from lovely leafy roads diverted by gated communities....https://youtu.be/Pn0ENEuze8k

There isn?t less traffic on my road, there is 26-35% more comparing pre-Covid, pre LTN levels and then after LTNs went in and during a time that traffic went down across London, including in non-LTN boroughs......... and where is the pollution data we were promised at the end of July, why is Southwark withholding the data for East Dulwich Grove?

Dougie you are correct, idling is a big issue for LL, Croxted and ED Grove, it?s the constant braking and accelerating that causes huge amounts of particulate matter, highly toxic due to the human immune system taking up these particles at a cellular level, this is why they cause inflammation leading to cancer, coronary disease and chronic respiratory conditions. Leaving it up to the locals appears to have gone out the window if it is true that Southwark are now going to weight all responses equally. i.e. responses from people who do not live in Southwark but have used an address in Southwark to answer the Consultation will have an equal say. I hope this is not the case as this leaves the consultation open to the influence of lobby groups from all sides of the discussion rather than just local residents.

Please do the butterfly count. https://bigbutterflycount.butterfly-conservation.org/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo&utm_content=Awareness+Days I love the tiger moth, saw one when walking to Greendale, then also spotted a peacock butterfly on the buddleia that grows in the corner and lots of gatekeepers. Tiger moth caterpillars are amazing too...hairy bears!