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The owner is rather repulsive..I find the bread disappointing...but those quiches are hard to resist.

Well............https://betterelephant.github.io/blog/2013/04/09/report-uncovers-corruption-at-the-elephant/ and https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=55835 also Peter Walker....local resident of an LTN cyclist and Guardian Jounalist... ?He advocated reducing endless consultation and getting more changes done faster? note...the no consultation. And some LCC action with Disgraced....Simon Still

I live on ED Grove..with my partner, it?s a two bedroom flat. I have one car, it has been driven 3 times this year and 5 times last year. I have lived here for 30+ years. See it?s easy when you know how. How about boohooLTN.. I guess....Gilkes or Calton Northern I guess Calton or Melbourne....see This is fun!

Aah found it...It is Dulwich specific Northern as Rockets has said Dulwich Area Traffic Management Study Final Report April 2018 London Borough of Southwark 23130501

Mmmh I had an interesting link, but can?t find now...hence this lazy edit.

100% of my local journeys are walking, 95% of my long journeys are PT, my commute is walking and PT. I recognise that LTNs are not working in the Dulwich/East Dulwich area and only wealthy people in gated communities with 1-3 mill housing and a car on their huge drive are benefiting.... and also invited to private zoom meetings....

By the way..... before LTNs went in. The 2011 Census has demonstrated an aggregate increase in percentage cycling to work in Southwark of 3.75% points since the 2001 Census (that is, from 3.98% to 7.73%). The number of people cycling to work rose from 3,965 in 2001 to 10,898 in 2011, which is an increase of 275%. Dulwich showed increases in cycling trips in line with the general trend in the borough or slightly higher. Confirming the attitude towards cycling recorded in 2001, there are significantly higher rates within the Village Ward (above 10% share in some areas); on the other hand, College Ward maintains a very low cycling share, and resilience towards an attitudinal change (+2.5% increase). So guess what, cycling was increasing anyway...so have LTNs really encouraged active travel or just longer car journeys?

The LTNs are permanent...Southwark will not remove whatever the result of the ?consultation?, so yea...bring on the street market, maybe change the old GP surgery into a pub/respiratory clinic have a drink, while getting your FVC measured.

So..is a 25-35% increase in traffic and increased levels of illegal pollution on East Dulwich Grove an acceptable sacrifice for the quiet roads? Because that is what you are saying.

Meeting as informed by Legal?s post earlier in thread ?So many messages to read through. I understand that Cllr in Chief Kieron Williams and Cllr Rose had a zoom call with reps of residents? associations last night. I?m not sure which RAs. I had a message from ours at 4:15pm about a meeting at 5:30pm and didn?t see it until later that evening so didn?t get a chance to pass on my views to those attending from our street. Apparently the meeting was to ?discuss the ongoing Dulwich Review process, the experiences of your members and your ideas for the future? - the full text of the letter from the council wasn?t sent through to us. Is anyone else aware of this meeting : able to give some insight on what was discussed? Haven?t had an update from our RA? And yes those poor, starving people living on Calton, Gilkes, Court, Melbourne, Elsie...it must be awful for them...you can feel the poverty in Calton it?s palpable...

No...LTNBoo, I said we were not invited to a private zoom meeting, with the council, which was only sent to a gated community so they could help Southwark with future changes. Please don?t twist my words. It does seem that people on this forum who do not like us on roads that have seen an increase in pollution and traffic due to LTNs (independent pollution monitoring and Southwark?s own released data), highlighting these facts and asking for something to be done about it, cannot help themselves with twisting what we write and say, to fit their agenda of maintaining their privileged lifestyle. I only hope if that I lived in a 2 million 5-6 bedroom house in a gated community, I would be a bit more thoughtful about a family, with a young child in a one bedroom 3rd floor flat with no garden who does not own a car and has to walk with her child along a polluted and traffic bound road every school morning. Maybe a house swap for a month...and let?s see how the ?important people ? in the gated roads feel....

I wonder where people will park when they drive there using EDG and Grove Vale access? Actually I don?t mind a street market on Melbourne all weekend, great for traders and lots of hot food stalls please. I can see Korean BBQs and one of those cheese toasty sandwich stalls like the one in Borough....mmmmhhhhh tasty but terrible for my waistline.

Northern if you are going to talk about where I live, then some accuracy would be helpful. I know my corner..17 residences as only one house the rest are flats both owned and rented. Between the 34 adults there are only 5 cars owned and only 6 parking spaces. They are not ?paved over? they were built as shops in 1886, with housing above the shop and never had gardens. The mews used to be a storage company, but has limited parking. The Dutch Estate has parking only on one side and is a high density Estate that does now have private ownership. The ?posher? end in Village Ward does have higher car ownership and the Lordship Lane end very low car ownership. The fact still remains that Southwark invites residents from inside LTNs to give opinion to inform future policy, but does not ask EDG Croxted or LL for opinion in private conversations. Why?

As far as I know...ED Grove residents group is unaware of this meeting and as the road with low car ownership and an increase of 25-37% traffic and NOx off the acceptable scales..this is a huge injustice. Yet again the Council acts like a feudal endeavour...we are just serfs...

Last night and today, the residents of East Dulwich Grove have demonstrated kindness, empathy and respect. I love my road and I love my neighbours. Many caring gestures after a tragic night.

An extended pavement would be great on that side, would make sitting outside at the restaurants much nicer.

Some may or may not agree with more ?direct? action, I personally would never harm plants, cause damage to someone?s private property or name people and their right to a private life. It is an interesting point though...direct action has been a way of those that have unfair, authoritarian actions imposed on them to protest. I?m sure we are all informed enough to know of many examples. In all these historical events we see that some call direct action one thing and others another. I remember the Federation of Conservative Students asking for Mandela to be hung as a terrorist, suffragettes poured ink into post boxes to ruin all the mail and were imprisoned by the state for that act. Now..before the usual crowd start with ...how dare you conflate and compare..I?m not saying that protest using direct action against the injustice of LTNs, has the same depth of justification as the two causes mentioned. Indeed it seems somewhat counterproductive. Many who live on so called ?external? roads who have no agency and feel that their environment and access to clean air is being ignored should be allowed a voice to Southwark Council, these families matter as much as the families living in LTNs. If you impose something that makes living in your street less healthy, due to traffic and pollution, frustration can lead to unfortunate and regrettable events.

It?s Rosamund Kissi Debrah, have some respect for a real clean air campaigner and at the very least have a go at getting her name right and I?m not a member of one Dulwich and they don?t speak for me or I for them. CCTV and extra policing for a failed project is ridiculous, especially when told there isn?t enough money for proper air monitoring. LTNs benefit a few, wealthy rich areas, who have a high car ownership and nice bike racks on their SUVs.

I see that Lambeth gated communities are now going to have CCTV and policing spent on them to keep the unwashed away from the peaceful q?white areas.....more and more like an American gated community everyday that passes. Rosamund Kissi Debrah must watch on with deep despair.

Maybe shouldn?t be parked on a corner of a narrow road and a bus route on yellow lines either? And yes...asked the drivers and also reported. Still...they should be on Melbourne not ED Grove.

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All 3 with engines on......idling for over 30mins. For LTN supporters..when it suits ED Grove is a main transit road, so no stopping allowed, other times it is a school road so coaches can stop and idle on a double yellow. As long as the nice houses, with nice gardens and nice people can have peace and quiet and NOx levels below 20 then that?s all that matters. Who cares if the independent measurement of NOx and traffic on ED Grove as measured by the not so independent council have both increased by at least 25% since the gated communities got what they wanted....

So...the front entrance of Charter is Melbourne Grove ....yet the 3 coaches causing traffic mayhem are parked on East Dulwich Grove...mmhhhhh

The 3 friends who I know that cycle to work ... all at different London Hospitals say they feel their commute to and from work is more dangerous and more polluted since the LTNs went in.....

Fine by me Northernmonkey, I would be happy for a ban on all private car travel during school and rush hour, as I live on ED Grove and it is now a nightmare. I wonder if all the people supporting LTNs on their lovely quiet streets, who have two cars would agree?