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Oh Rob is great. Love this, thanks Rahrahrah

A sensible take is from the cofounder of the Ella foundation http://ellaroberta.org/ a mum who does actually campaign for more cycle lanes, less car use and more walking. Her daughter died of asthma. The family lived on a busy, polluted road. She is against LTNs as she recognises that LTNs push traffic from roads that have high car ownership onto roads with higher levels of deprivation. As someone said - making sideroads carparks for gated residents to drive their cars on roads less affluent than their own.

LTN pollution is no solution, just moves traffic onto already polluted roads.... love this video!

I do... I have just contacted him and made him aware of your post.

P?t? is a gateway to the harder stuff...rillettes

I walk as a preference, the amount of leaves, dog 💩, rubbish, uncollected Southwark bags, wheelie bins, poor paving makes walking a little more difficult. It is about time Southwark haves is positive reasons to walk rather than polluting high density, low income, poorer areas of the borough.

Thanks Dougie and fairTgirl, as someone whose does live on EDG and cycles and walks for over 90% of my journeys I would like less traffic across Dulwich, but this poorly thought out plan just pushes traffic to dangerous levels on already disenfranchised streets, that really need to be paid more attention by the Council. I can only imagine this is about politics. The areas that traffic has been pushed onto are natural Labour voting areas - I voted Labour in both Council and Parliamentary elections, so are they assuming we will not change our vote, but they are worried about the more affluent areas not voting Labour if the gated community road blocks are removed? By the way 7:00am I witnessed an emergency ambulance perform a U turn on EDG as they could not gain direct access via the gated side streets this morning and had to take a diversion.

Excellent presentation from Dougie, covered all the points. EDG needs an RA...is there anyone with time to set up?

Exactly Rockets...my street is nice because I don?t take a dump in my street. Instead I go to your street and take a big sh*t in you street... see low sh*t neighbourhoods ... sorted. Your street is now full of human poo 💩 but that?s ok that you have more 💩 than normal, because my street has less 💩

Describes the LL portion of EDG, ?It can no longer be acceptable for any transport schemes to be developed which cause increases in traffic volumes on other roads, particularly where there are vulnerable populations like schools and hospitals, and when we know those living in poverty, BAME populations and residents in areas of existing poor air quality are least able to cope with the effects of diseases like COVID-19? So time to rethink the gated community barriers and consider some positive changes for all - protected cycle lanes, easy to use cycle stores, public hire bikes, better wider paving, better more accessible local public transport, cleaner larger bus shelters.

Thank you both

I?m not biased, I?m very much for positive actions to decrease road traffic and pollution. Extra protected cycle lanes and better pedestrian access. More charge points for electric cars and investment into public transport. The point is that in the 30 years of living in ED roads have had incidents that have caused traffic to be diverted, but with LTNs poorly planned an incident can cause more chaos and pollution as there are less ?escape? routes. Calling people biased or labelling them as car loving etc. does not actually move the conversation on. By the way..... I passed at least 10 adult cyclists using the pavement instead of EDG this morning on my walk, one nearly hit a mum with her two kids walking to school...dangerous, noisy and polluting.

The rationale for a lockdown is so our local intensive care units do not fill up with Covid patients. If they do then non-Covid illness, trauma or post-surgical cases will not have access to that high level of medical support. For example, if all ITU beds full and your partner, parent or child has an accident causing trauma that requires intensive care post treatment, they will not have access to a bed and will therefore have an increased risk of a bad outcome. An ITU bed, by the way, isn?t just a ?bed? when we talk about a bed we mean the 2 nurses, the 0.2 WTE medical staff, the 0.2 physiotherapists and the 0.2 Healthcare Scientists required to ?run? a bed for a 24 hr period. This is also why the Nightingale units were a vanity project... no staff to run the beds at this level, so can never be used as intensive services. They were built as places for people to die with large morgues attached. All of us in the know in the NHS at a senior level know what needs to happen. Test and trace needs to be run by the NHS and local health units/councils not SERCO or Tory donor private companies and lock down would be a breathing space for T and T to be set up properly before the extra Winter pressures. Also there is not enough Flu Vaccine, so we are buggered.

Can someone tell me how Helen Hayes voted on the ?state torture? Bill? Did she vote against or abstain?

Mhhhh amateurish

Time to re-think this ridiculous polluting and dangerous ?experiment?.

Serena, absolutely agree. Maybe it is time for EDG residents to form a campaign group to lobby the Council? I would love to see a cycle lane, better pavements and more thought about pedestrians, residents, cyclists, patients, school children and staff working at the health centre, schools and nurseries in EDG. The actual road is a mess with cracks, noisy drain covers, useless pollution causing speed humps. Now residents are paying to park in their own street as unlike the gated communities very few have the choice of parking on their own property. People on EDG are the forgotten residents in East Dulwich, including the 4-5 large ?posh? houses near the Village junction, where the traffic must be awful for longer every day, to the LL end where there is a dangerous junction and the mid section with high density flats, narrow badly maintained pavements covered in wheelie bins. The council needs to think about changes that encourage walking and cycling and polluting roads used by cyclists and pedestrians is not the way. The council has caused more pollution by more traffic being at a standstill. EDG is now dangerous for cyclists and horrible for pedestrians.

Welcome to my world since the LTN gated communities were set up. This is another issue with this scheme, when there is an issue elsewhere there are no alternative routes.

EDG got significantly worse later, but yes, if the side roads are ?gated? then there is no run off when there is an issue.

So.. pollution is higher on the roads that are not closed.....

Yes I saw that ambulance... huge queue on EDG as cars couldn?t divert off the smaller roads.

Exactly Dulwich girl, the impact of more pollution is on people in higher density housing with less access to gardens and open space. This council has shat on the most vulnerable residents.

Thanks KidKruger, my thought exactly. I am pro reducing car travel, reducing pollution, I have campaigned in fact for green policy for many of my 55 years on this planet. I have a plant based diet, avoid plastic, recycle and upcycle. Have driven twice in the last 10 years and own a bike that is used often and walk as much as I can. The road closures for roads that in the 30+ years I have lived in East Dulwich have never been as polluted or busy as East Dulwich Grove, which now has an extra school, nurseries, a health centre and is a major road for pedestrians and cyclists. This road can accommodate a cycle lane with a bit of imagination and financial input from Southwark. The current closures are cheap, lazy and represent poor planning. Pedestrians and cyclists now both use a crowded and polluted pathway during the school rush, cars idle and braver cyclists use the right hand lane at high risk. East Dulwich Grove is also a high density residential area, less affluent than the gated communities and with a higher burden of health inequality. Very poor Southwark Council, very poor.

How about applying for a safer, greener, cleaner East Dulwich Grove.... you have 3 days to flood the website. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/engagement-and-consultations/grants-and-funding/cleaner-greener-safer

I don?t drive ?The two views seem to be: 1. Those who really want to be able to drive without hindrance 2. Those who want to make it easier to walk and cycle and more difficult to use ones car. The main disagreement is whether attempts to achieve this with filtering traffic on certain roads, leads to better or worse outcomes in general, when it comes to health, the environment, quality of life etc. Reasonable people may take different views on this, as clearly there are knock on impacts. But if you agree with aim 2. , but not the approach to trying to attain it, then it would be interesting to hear alternatives suggestions. I haven't really heard however, anyone explaining how the first approach (sticking with the status quo) can possibly make anything better.? I walk and cycle...my road is now awful to cycle or walk on for 4 hours a day during the working week. I?m sure if my road had been closed I would also be saying ?these closures are wonderful?.... but instead I now have all your traffic on my road. Thanks.