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Given Meadow's complete lack of financial transparency, any more money going into their coffers might just disappear from the club altogether, so here's an only-half-in-jest suggestion for fans on Saturday and subsequently ? pay all gate money into buckets/boxes earmarked specifically for the footballing side of the business and not for Meadow / Healey via the turnstiles. Would fans be let in?

A more measured article in The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/dulwich-hamlet-bankruptcy-southwark-council-meadow-green-dale-a8006571.html "... Southwark have spent an estimated ?450,000 on this legal process and on Monday a hearing at the Central London County Court decided that Dulwich Hamlet must pay ?150,000 within the next 14 days if they are to proceed with the process. Dulwich Hamlet do not have money and Meadow have repeatedly insisted that they are not liable for it either. This means that at the end of October the lease for Green Dale will revert to the council. This will make Meadow?s ?80million development plan almost impossible, although their planning appeal is still due to be heard by the planning inspector on 12 December. But with little prospect of success, Meadow now say that they are ?reviewing their options? about what to do next. Meadow own the Champion Hill ground, but not the club itself, but say that only through their development plan can the club survive. They say the council is forcing the club to bankruptcy by blocking their development plans. This view is disputed at Dulwich Hamlet, who point to their attendances as proof that the club could survive by itself. ?Meadow are disappointed at the Council?s actions,? a Meadow spokesperson said. ?We are reviewing the planning options but hope that the Council will see sense and think again on the club?s lease.? While Meadow blame the Council for ?undermining? Dulwich Hamlet, council leader Peter John insisted today that he has the club?s long-term interests at heart. ?Greed of property developer is unnecessarily threatening Dulwich Hamlet,? he tweeted. ?Southwark is and always will be on the side of the club.? "

... 3. Notice that when there's potentially something to lose, it's DHFC Ltd who are the party concerned and are put in the firing line. Why not Greendale Property Co Ltd? Or Healey Development Solutions Ltd? Meadow clearly do not have any interest in defending the club.

Lots of spin from the developers here. A couple of initial observations: 1. "With the club losing more than ?100,000 a year..." Show us the books! Something Meadow have refused to do. 2. "It is sad that the council has chosen to undermine Dulwich Hamlet with legal action to take away the land that is integral to the stadium project." They're not 'taking away the land'. They are taking up their right to what they own, the lease having expired early last year. The continuing mismanagement of the site is a key reason for LBS wishing to refuse a new lease.

From the Mail Online this morning. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4992328/Dulwich-Hamlet-given-14-days-come-150-000.html "Dulwich Hamlet face bankruptcy after a court gave the south London club 14 days to find ?150,000 to continue their fight to build a new stadium. One of the best-supported clubs in non-League football and known for developing players, Dulwich are caught in the middle of a row between Southwark Council and Meadow Residential, the firm which wants to build housing on the site of the club's current ground at Champion Hill. Monday's court ruling concerns Dulwich's request to renew their lease on Green Dale, some adjoining land which includes an artificial pitch. This land is crucial to the Dulwich Hamlet/Meadow redevelopment plan as it is where the club's new 4,000-capacity ground will be built - by Meadow - before the Hamlet are handed over to their fans, free of debt. Unhappy with Meadow's plans for the wider site, worth at least ?80million, Southwark Council is blocking Dulwich's request to renew the lease on Green Dale, which the local authority owns. With the club losing more than ?100,000 a year, the council has sought and been granted 'security of costs', effectively a deposit on any costs the council would be owed by Dulwich if the club lose the lease case when it goes to court in December. A defeat then would cost Dulwich more like ?450,000 but the club cannot afford the ?150,000 security of costs bill and are once again left to rely on Meadow's stomach for the battle with the council. In a statement released to Press Association Sport, a spokesperson for Meadow said: 'For over three years Meadow has provided significant financial support to Dulwich Hamlet while pushing forward a development project to give Dulwich Hamlet a new stadium and a sustainable long-term future, under fan ownership. 'It is sad that the council has chosen to undermine Dulwich Hamlet with legal action to take away the land that is integral to the stadium project. 'We are disappointed that the council has shown itself unwilling to support the club and its future, in the way Meadow has.' Dulwich have lost play-offs to reach the Vanarama National League South, English football's sixth tier, in each of the last two seasons and are currently second in the Bostik Premier, formerly known as the Isthmian League. But last weekend's game against Needham Market attracted nearly 2,500 fans, a crowd that most clubs in the National League, and some in Sky Bet League Two, would be delighted with. This popularity is based on the club's proximity to central London, which gives them a large potential fanbase, access to lots of local talent and a media profile out of proportion with their league status. But as neighbours Charlton, Millwall, Wimbledon and other non-League clubs have discovered in recent years, a London address also brings challenges due to property values in the capital and those challenges are only growing for Dulwich Hamlet."

It's picked up in this thread: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1657240,page=5 And yes, it is disturbing.

Absolutely and I think any plans for a supporter-run club (which I'm in favour of) have to involve a major role for the local authority, in terms of both funding and enabling genuine long-term community involvement in the club. It's a model that works well across Europe, but alas in this country we see all clubs, big or small, as private businesses that stand or fall according to 'normal market principles'.

Article in The Independent today about the planning appeal and the background to it. Meadow Residential/Partners don't come out of it looking good... "One of the country's most popular non-league clubs is at risk as the owners of its ground try to force through a controversial redevelopment. Southwark Council are trying to stop them and even senior club figures sympathise." http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/dulwich-hamlet-future-southwark-council-developers-champion-hill-green-dale-meadow-partners-gavin-a7994291.html

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does pushing the button always mean the lights > will change faster? > In central London plenty of people don't do so, > which I find a bit annoying but then I wonder > whether - at most times of the day and evening - > the crossing is automatically regulated. Some crossings have an automatic pedestrian phase, some don't. Near where I work there's the busy crossroads between Borough High St and Union St. That button does need pressing otherwise the lights miss out the pedestrian phase. Amazing how many people won't press the button and then wonder why it's taking ages to cross...

spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ADMIN. > > There are 2 threads running on this can they be > combined. > > Thanks Indeed. I put my thread in the Lounge because it's not about East Dulwich.

Southwark Council have opened a consultation on the closure of the bridge on Camberwell Grove ? make your views known. I've put it on this thread as it seems relevant to the area. "Camberwell Grove bridge, near the junction with McNeil Road, has been closed to motor traffic since October 2016, due to structural failure. Repairs to the bridge will soon be completed by Network Rail, which will allow it to be reopened for small motor vehicles (under 3 tonne) with traffic lights allowing alternate one-way flows to cater for both north and south-bound traffic. Since the bridge has been closed, the council has heard from some residents who favour retaining the closure on a permanent basis, as well as some residents who wish to see it reopened as soon as possible, principally due to the impact of additional traffic on other residential roads in the area. However because it will make such an impact, the council wants to hear your views before taking a final decision on reopening the bridge. Please answer our online consultation here by 30 October." https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/camberwell-grove-bridge/consult_view/

Southwark Council have opened a consultation on the closure of the bridge on Camberwell Grove ? make your views known. I've put it on this thread as it seems relevant to the area. "Camberwell Grove bridge, near the junction with McNeil Road, has been closed to motor traffic since October 2016, due to structural failure. Repairs to the bridge will soon be completed by Network Rail, which will allow it to be reopened for small motor vehicles (under 3 tonne) with traffic lights allowing alternate one-way flows to cater for both north and south-bound traffic. Since the bridge has been closed, the council has heard from some residents who favour retaining the closure on a permanent basis, as well as some residents who wish to see it reopened as soon as possible, principally due to the impact of additional traffic on other residential roads in the area. However because it will make such an impact, the council wants to hear your views before taking a final decision on reopening the bridge. Please answer our online consultation here by 30 October." https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/camberwell-grove-bridge/consult_view/

They'll be back ? they'll hunker down for a while out of view.

Almost certainly a sparrowhawk, Sue. Looking to breakfast on your sparrows :-) Don't worry, the sparrows will be back.

At Sainsburys, do your shopping and use the coins to pay in the self checkout machines ? no commission, though it might take you a while to feed the machine :-)

1-0 win tonight at Harrow Borough lifts Hamlet to 5th in the league. The improvement continues.

I'm fairly sure that the station M&S will be a Simply Food rather than a Food Hall ? so sandwiches, snacks and drinks, rather than the larger range. I predict it will be hugely popular but won't take much business away from the Lordship Lane shop.

A review of the law and rules surrounding police pursuits: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41390580

The lease has, in fact, expired and the council and the property developers are currently involved in a legal dispute as to its continuance. The matter is meant to be resolved by the end of the year (at about the same time as the developers' planning appeal for the new stadium and flats), so I wouldn't expect anything to happen before then.

Haha, that won't please the greedy burghers of Paris and Frankfurt. Sounds like it's got more to do with employing cheap drones than with Brexit.

edhistory Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'll ask the dumb question. > > How come throughout this anti-social fiasco nobody > turned the electricity off? They were using car stereos/sound systems, so they'd have run them off the batteries.

This is the event, which is described as "The best of Six Series Volume 2." https://shoobs.com/events/22185/family-fun-day-jerk-fest-car-stereo-clash

"All pubs and restaurants should display their prices clearly to their customers. Restaurants must show prices with their menu at or near their entrance so people will know how much they'll be charged." https://www.mylawyer.co.uk/law-a-A76076D76384/?A76076D76384=

Linen-cotton shorts packed away until next year, corduroy* shirts brought out for use until next May. * Yeah, that's so 2015, but I've always been a sucker for the middle-aged dad look...

Blimey, KK, I know it's Monday morning and all, but chin up... :-)