El Pibe, thanks for providing this thread with some much needed common sense. Some people on this forum just can't help themselves. Lady D, you saw wall to wall bouncers in a Liverpool pub and people getting their heads kicked in, witness any city or small town every weekend. I studied in Newcastle and there were obvious no go areas, there was a strong contingent of rough teenagers, heads getting kicked in routinely etc, not once did I think this was unique to the city but then I'm not so blinkered. For anyone to proportion this horrific incident as endemic or unsurprising behavior of one area (in this case, Liverpool) is ignorance beyond belief, in fact I find it grossly insulting.