LegalEagle-ish

It was definitely a great night. I didn't get a chance to talk to everyone I wanted to and started flagging around 11pm (my all night party days are behind me now I think!) but everyone I did get to talk to was interesting and lovely. Big massive group hug x x x

Lol, Keef, wait until your little T gets older, you'll have plenty of people to fight! I just want to say I'm proud to announce that I am officially the hottest granny in ED, or so I was told last night!

That's horrible Anna. You looked lovely by the way and are always interesting to talk to, so whoever snubbed you missed out, not you.

Why is it ok to have such high buildings and bridges when I'm scared of heights? I want the rest of the world to be rearranged to accomodate my phobia.

Go way you liar! (Daizie - not the football guys)

Quids that's not fair, you know I've stopped drinking now. You didn't have to show everyone why!

That was for Jah by the way lady McG, not your bloke!

See you later then dear. Should I go for the usual jeans and teeshirt or something more slutty this evening? Hmm decision, decisions.

Oh yeh, Moos, a certain naughty wolf asked me if I could retreive the dvd from you on his behalf. Are you going to the drinks?

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Doesn't the fact that a fellow forumite feels > like this tell us something about our own > behaviour? No forumite should be made to feel that > his/her opinions are worthless - and Monica's are > as valid as anybody else's. This forum is about > inclusivity, not the reverse." > > I don't think it's reasonable to take this as a > blanket rule. > > Anyone who had a younger sister will be familiar > with tactical squeals of 'victim, victim' whilst > evil lurks beneath. > > There are plenty of adults who haven't grown out > of such manipulation, and more than a few on here > ;-) I agree. It is slightly irritating that someone uses their faith and arguments about cliques to close down debate about the appalling abuse suffered by thousands of children. I think the charge of insensitivity could be made against Monica for assuming her faith carries more weight than the voice of survivors of this sytemic abuse. How does she know whether DM herself, or people close to DM have not been abused by those in the Catholic church? Just because DM doesn't cry all over the forum, doesn't mean this topic doesn't cause her immense pain. It is more than insensitive to try to close down the voices of the abused by feigning pain at the discussion. Weigh it up. Pain of actual abuse v criticism of the institution who perpetrated it. Hmm, I know which hurt has more weight in my opinion.

RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Praed should have been mine. Oh he should. > But I was illegal and he now narrates Mills & > Boon audiobooks. Omg, I'm traumatised now. I used to drool over Mr Praed

Take that as a warning missy!

I've never been jealous after a breakup, cos I've usually had enough of them by that stage, but I have threatened a few women that I thought were getting a bit too friendly with my man.

I wasn't implying anything Mick, I was saying that if DM or anyone else has experienced abuse at the hanfs of the Catholic church, it would be wrong to expect the victims not to want to express their anger about their abusers. GG that is an interesting trail of thought. If you are surrounded by a norm of behaviour that is abusive and sick, it would probably take a strong person not to be influenced by that norm especially if their resistance caused them to become an outcast.

Sorry, I know some of you want this thread to die, but I just had one last thought on the subject that I wanted to share. I don't hate the Catholic church because it's never done anything to me personally for me to feel like that. My mum was raised in a strict Catholic school and has told me of some of the sadism of the nuns. I know other Catholics brought up over here and in Ireland with very similar experiences. Monica loves the church and her saint Pedro and feels like they are a comfort to her and part of her fanily so is very upset about people who are angry with the Catholic church. I assume from this that she hasn't been abused by members of the church or her attitude would probably not be so positive. Then I began to think, what must it feel like if you discover that a son, brother, father, uncle or other close family member had been raping and torturing children? Would you be right to expect the victims to show restraint in order that they don't hurt your feelings? Or do you get upset with the people who are angry about being abused because you don't believe what they are saying is true? I'm curious to know what you think about the rights of the victims to express their anger in this whole argument.

O.B.G Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That is good news. > Hopefully it is put to good use soon. > > LegalEagle-ish - I hope I never hold a door open > for you. > G That's ok, I'm quite good at opening my own doors, thanks.

Now, how about sorting out the rest of the schools in Southwark?

I know something about the Catholic way of doing things because the impact the Catholic church had on my mum was pretty severe, but I don't have enough knowledge about Judaism or Islam to make similar comments about their institutions.

I'll get you a drink, cos my night will be pretty cheap (only so many orange juices you can drink in one night).

But the point is all about blind faith ignoring presented facts and Monica appears to be doing that very Catholic thing of ignoring facts presented to her based on a blind faith. Why is pointing out the truth considered to be insensitive?

To be fair, my brother's wife is still Catholic and it seems that the Catholic church, in th Uk at least, has made a lot of progress since the abuse that my mother was subject to.

You sound as bad as my mum DM. She hated the Catholic church with a passion. Irish nuns seem to have that effect on a lot of people!

Lol

There are two more on the other side of the lights, plus a newsagent, flowershop and bakers which might be affected by a new Sainsburys local.

Bollox de chien, I think is the correct terminology.