diable rouge

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Seems we will never agree, based on your previous > posts you're ever the critic without offering > solution's (reminnds me of a number critical of > this administration. If you've got nothing > constructive to add, to take a turn of phrase, jog > on. True to form, doesn't want the Gov to come under scrutiny and doesn't want his inane ramblings scrutinised either...

Cat does a U-turn about the U-turn...:)

A useful insight into dbb's world. He doesn't realise that everyone 'interested' might not have access to the internet. He thinks questions should be vetted so as not to be critical of the Gov...

For me it's the lack of recognition from the Gov that they've made mistakes, spinning yesterday's U-turn on the NHS surcharge as a sign of Johnson's 'strength', being typical. This from former diplomat Peter Ricketts... The Government would win so much respect if they admitted, just sometimes, that they had made a mistake and were correcting it. That would be a sign of strength not weakness.

Cooeeeee!...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Cat is many things. But anywhere close to > being a momentum supporter? As if > > What a post glen. Amazing. (Not in a good way) Unc is so wrapped up in his racist/xenophobic culture war that any post he perceives as being negative to 'his side' must automatically be on the 'other side'. Subjectivity has long since left the building. In 20 years time he'll be discovered ranting away in some dark, dingy corner of the web, like a 21st Century version of a holed-up Viet Cong hiding in the jungle still fighting the Americans...

He's clearly struggling post infection but ''Where's Boris'' was a thing well before the crisis when he buggered off on holiday and also missed 5 consecutive Cobra meetings in the build-up to the crisis. His PMQ performances have always been just that, performances, except he hasn't got the braying support of his public school entourage behind him. He also can't handle someone like Starmer who deals in detail and asks pertinent questions rather than the edited viral soundbites Corbyn would go for. Johnson has never liked scrutiny either, witness his refusal to be interviewed by Andrew Neil. He's been found out to be the poundshop Churchill he is...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So once again, as usual, your assumptions are > wrong.. And calling Khan a disgrace for the suspension of the Freedom Pass was wrong. He had no choice, Gov insisted that he did or else no bailout to cope with the effects of the pandemic. Feel free to retract...

FFS Fox, where do you get your 'news' from? I think you'll find the Government stipulated that condition as well as others... https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/tfl-secures-bailout-keep-services-running-coronavirus-a4441091.html

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It sounds preposterous but during the 1980s there > was a big satanic cult scare across the world and > loads of people believed it. > > It could easily happen again. Iron Maiden doing another tour?...

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The ones getting off the bus, as expected, were > all young and fit looking. This demographic are at > the very, very lowest risk of getting anything > more than mild flu-like symptoms. Our two sons had > it and were back at work within 3 days. Same with > their mates. That's a lie, they weren't all young and fit looking. It's not just about catching the virus and how mild or severe the symptoms may or may not be, it's also about being potential carriers of the virus and not knowing anything about it before the symptoms show. That's why there's so much emphasis on the R rate, how many people a person infects while having the virus, both before and after symptoms show, if indeed they do show symptoms as in the case of asymptomatics. By the way, your 2 sons and his mates broke the Gov's guidance on self-isolation when you catch C19 and how to avoid transmitting the virus. Well done, hope you enjoy polishing that badge of honour. > As long as the young and fit commuters wear a mask > and avoid touching surfaces then they are at > minimal risk. Wrong again, a mask provides little or no resistance to the virus, besides, it can just as easily be transmitted into the body through the eyes...

What hasn't been addressed and asked of the Gov in all this noise about 'common sense', is why didn't they wait on relaxing the restrictions until at least the the 'test, track and trace' was up and running properly? Wouldn't it have made much more 'common sense' to trial the relaxations alongside the TTT pilot scheme on the Isle of Wight? After seeing commuters piling off buses this morning I can't help but feel it's created a ticking time bomb for a second wave...https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1260465038881685505

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah Blah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Government wanted to change the messaging for > one reason only, to look > > as though we are moving towards a new phase. > > I think it's also to do with making the Gov look > less responsible should there be a second wave and > spike. Don't forget this is a Gov that is well > versed in the blame game. They'd never release a > mea culpa statement like the Swedish Gov did. > Although it wasn't, the Stay Home slogan could be > seen as an order by the Gov, and it worked because > in a crisis populations on the whole tend to be > compliant, certainly in initial stages. The Stay > Alert slogan is much more ambiguous and therefore > puts more onus on the public... Didn't take long for the Gov to package this into a new mantra...Common Sense...the new Will of the People. This is a good analysis (Source ) For those that don't like clicking on links... 1/ From a political comms perspective, a "Common Sense" centric Covid strategy is masterful because it comes pre-baked with everything you could want. First, anyone pushing back on it can immediately be dismissed as either scornful of or condescending to "regular people". 2/ Second, it positions you as the side of freedom, liberty and personal responsibility when compared to the nanny statism of one's critics. Even voters in heavily regulated countries which approve of each individual regulation tend to oppose the CONCEPT of a nanny state. 3/ Third, it preemptively shifts blame for any negative outcomes onto a failure by a sub-group to exercise basic judgement. The government thus goes from a leader whose decisions had negative impacts to a disappointed parent who provided autonomy and frankly expected better. 4/ Fourth, it's a shield against complexity and difficult choices. "Who should go back to work?" "How do employers balance profitability and safety?" Detailed answers require difficult tradeoffs and judgement calls. "Just use common sense," pushes those calls onto others. 5/ Fifth, it's never entirely wrong. Whatever happens, there's always going to be a role for common sense. Coping with Covid requires a hundred judgement calls a day by everyone in the country and the government can't possibly (and shouldn't) issue guidance for all of them.

seenbeen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As far as the change of slogan goes I think the > Government have given up on the hard core of > people who have never followed lockdown...this > last weekend was a prime example of how - short of > getting the army mobilised- there is no chance of > curtailing the freedom of so many selfish people. 20,000 less bobbies didn't help...

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > James o'brien on LBC for three hours yet again > picking holes in everything, moan, moan, moan and > any opportunity to have a dig at Boris and the > Govt. Rather than continually looking to find > fault, why can't people like him pull together > during this National emergency. Yeah, let's all forget about accountability and wash our hands of 50,000+ deaths...

Gov Before - Stay at home, but ok to go to work if it's safe to do so. Gov Now - Go to work, but if it's not safe to do so, stay at home. As you were...

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Government wanted to change the messaging for one reason only, to look > as though we are moving towards a new phase. I think it's also to do with making the Gov look less responsible should there be a second wave and spike. Don't forget this is a Gov that is well versed in the blame game. They'd never release a mea culpa statement like the Swedish Gov did. Although it wasn't, the Stay Home slogan could be seen as an order by the Gov, and it worked because in a crisis populations on the whole tend to be compliant, certainly in initial stages. The Stay Alert slogan is much more ambiguous and therefore puts more onus on the public...

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boris may be finding the workload challenging He's never had what you would call a challenging job. Arguably his hardest to date, Foreign Secretary, actually suited him down to a tee, all that schmoozing, lots of foreign travel, a ready made excuse to avoid the scrutiny of Parliament, something we saw he failed miserably at when Starmer forensically questioned him last week...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm not saying I love it. But surely we can all > hold fire until after 7pm tonight? If Boris's > address doesn't provide the nessesary clarity, and > leaves us feeling 'ambiguous'...then fire > away.... People aren't shooting in the dark over this, the Gov has already issued a clarification of the meaning of the new slogans. That's what people are highlighting, that it's meaningless, vague, and open to interpretation. It's a crap slogan, substitute Alert with Safe and it becomes a lot better...

Regardless of the wording, if they have to explain it, then it's already failed as a messaging exercise...

Don't give them ideas!...

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These conspiracy theorists are the online equivalent of Jehovah's Witnesses, full of false ''let me just leave this with you'' bonhomie. I'm guessing snowy's ''FFS'' is the online equivalent of slamming the door in their faces...:)

I think (hope) Tarquin has been and gone. The first words I heard uttered on the morning after moving here 15 years ago, were in the old Blue Mountain Cafe where I went for a can't be bothered to unpack boxes breakfast. Upon opening the door I was met with a parent very loudly proclaiming ''Tarquin, hurry up and finish off your croissant!''. My informative years of Ready Brek, central heating for kids, seemed a long way off...

Robbie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > JohnL Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Critical thinking is about challenging others > > > ideas... > > > > I'd argue that critical thinking should also be > > about challenging your own ideas about others' > > ideas, something the conspiracy theorists fail > to > > do... > > Is that not how conspiracy theories are born > though? Challenging your own automatic acceptance > (your own idea) of an official narrative (others > ideas). Once upon a time a conspiracy theorist > thought that the Earth was round. Not quite, I was saying that the conspiracy theorists never challenge their own 'theories', just the targets of their 'theories'... > In other news - The Welsh First Minister has just > announced that people will be able to exercise > outside more than once a day in Wales and some > garden centres set to reopen. I doubt we will see > anything more if that in England. In Wales it was illegal to go outside more than once. There was no such legal diktat for England, Scotland and NI... The laws in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland do not specify - or limit - how many times per day someone can leave their house for any of these reasons. Although the Government advice is to exercise once a day, the law does not say how many times a day this is allowed to happen. But in Wales, exercise is permitted "no more than once a day". Source: ITV...